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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And I'm asking how your bench could even be on the court long enough to get massively outscored. Or is it your bench plus one of Simmons, Butler and Embiid? Because you just said your starting lineup with your big 3 only play 20 minutes together. But Simmons plays 33 MPG, Embiid 34 and Butler 32. So if they're all only on the court together 20 minutes, how many minutes of the game is it just your bench without any of those 3? The math isn't adding up.
    Itís bench with any of those three. Thereís almost no time without any of those three on the floor. We donít even have a lineup in the top 20 that doesnít include a starter. So Brown is basically ensuring one of those three are always on the floor at any given time. So they see so little time together because Brown needs to make sure at least 1 of them is always ready to go.

    Which shows me that the drop off has more to do in the quality of player coming in off the bench.

    And it doesnít have anything to do with trying to make Simmons seem elite at all. Itís got everything to do with the fact that the drop off from starter to bench is so great that I donít think any of our guys would hit high levels of efficiency offensively right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    53 points net differential.

    But mind you thatís a lineup of:
    Simmons
    Shamet
    Chandler
    Muscala
    Johnson


    But FG is +.600; 3pt is a +.500; eFG is a +.700

    So without either of them they can score really well, but defensively is absolute ****.
    Beyond the main 76ers guys the rest of the roster looks more like Gleague. 76ers almost have to hope a ton of buyouts happened again kinda like how ya got Ersan and Belinelli last year. That's when 76ers took off.

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    So what is the cutoff because on an All Star team isn't it 6 frontcourt and 6 guards on the East and West teams? Each team has 12 players so if that is the case off of the first returns then that means for the East for frontcourt players they would have: Giannis, Kawhi, Embiid, Butler, Tatum and Griffin and for the East guards it would be Irving, Wade, Kemba, Simmons, Oladipo and Lowry

    Then for the West the 6 frontcourt players would be: LeBron, Doncic (rookie), Durant, AD, PG13 and Steven Adams and for the 6 guards it would be: Curry, D-Rose, Harden, Westbrook, Klay and Dame Lillard


    Which would make for a damn interesting All Star game in Charlotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    So what is the cutoff because on an All Star team isn't it 6 frontcourt and 6 guards on the East and West teams? Each team has 12 players so if that is the case off of the first returns then that means for the East for frontcourt players they would have: Giannis, Kawhi, Embiid, Butler, Tatum and Griffin and for the East guards it would be Irving, Wade, Kemba, Simmons, Oladipo and Lowry

    Then for the West the 6 frontcourt players would be: LeBron, Doncic (rookie), Durant, AD, PG13 and Steven Adams and for the 6 guards it would be: Curry, D-Rose, Harden, Westbrook, Klay and Dame Lillard


    Which would make for a damn interesting All Star game in Charlotte
    Many years prior it was 7 front court and 5 backcourt. But with a captain for each side probably 6 and 5 depends what position the captain is. Might even be able to be lopsided. I'd have to check last years teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Many years prior it was 7 front court and 5 backcourt. But with a captain for each side probably 6 and 5 depends what position the captain is. Might even be able to be lopsided. I'd have to check last years teams.
    Okay thanks I appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    its not even close. Giannis will never be as good as lebron is right now and lebrons in his 90th year
    Not offensively, but his 2 way impact will negate Brons offense now when Giannis is in his prime. Too bad Bron wasn't as well rounded offensively in his prime.

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    NBA ALL-STAR VOTING 2019 PRESENTED BY GOOGLE

    Eastern Conference

    Frontcourt

    1. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL), 2,670,816 votes

    2. Kawhi Leonard (TOR), 2,092,806 votes

    3. Joel Embiid (PHI), 1,710,229 votes

    4. Jayson Tatum (BOS), 599,289 votes

    5. Jimmy Butler (PHI), 569,354 votes

    6. Blake Griffin (DET), 500,072 votes

    7. Vince Carter (ATL), 273,719 votes

    8. Gordon Hayward (BOS), 237,813 votes

    9. Pascal Siakam (TOR), 206,290 votes

    10. Al Horford (BOS), 199,474 votes

    Guards

    1. Kyrie Irving (BOS), 2,381,901 votes

    2. Dwyane Wade (MIA), 1,199,789 votes

    3. Kemba Walker (CHA), 858,798 votes

    4. Ben Simmons (PHI), 695,032 votes

    5. Victor Oladipo (IND), 567,893 votes

    6. Kyle Lowry (TOR), 488,825 votes

    7. Zach LaVine (CHI), 330,504 votes

    8. Jeremy Lin (ATL), 200,648 votes

    9. Goran Dragić (MIA), 191,541 votes

    10. Bradley Beal (WAS), 168,137 votes

    Western Conference

    Frontcourt

    1. LeBron James (LAL), 2,779,812 votes

    2. Luka Dončić (DAL), 2,220,077 votes

    3. Paul George (OKC), 1,859,216 votes

    4. Kevin Durant (GSW), 1,717,968 votes

    5. Anthony Davis (NOP), 1,564,347 votes

    6. Steven Adams (OKC), 1,034,014 votes

    7. Nikola Jokić (DEN), 740,918 votes

    8. Kyle Kuzma (LAL), 584,842 votes

    9. Draymond Green (GSW), 411,131 votes

    10. DeMarcus Cousins (GSW), 276,849 votes

    Guards

    1. Stephen Curry (GSW), 2,094,158 votes

    2. Derrick Rose (MIN), 1,986,840 votes

    3. James Harden (HOU), 1,674,660 votes

    4. Russell Westbrook (OKC), 1,494,382 votes

    5. Klay Thompson (GSW), 706,960 votes

    6. Damian Lillard (POR), 610,839 votes

    7. DeMar DeRozan (SAS), 594,012 votes

    8. Lonzo Ball (LAL), 529,164 votes

    9. Devin Booker (PHO), 310,944 votes

    10. Chris Paul (HOU), 306,808 votes

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    Iíll ask again, why is Doncic a front court player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    Iíll ask again, why is Doncic a front court player?
    You could make the same argument with Bron then no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Rose haha
    And carter in the east lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    You could make the same argument with Bron then no?
    Oneís a point guard and oneís a forward? So......no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    Not offensively, but his 2 way impact will negate Brons offense now when Giannis is in his prime. Too bad Bron wasn't as well rounded offensively in his prime.
    Arguably LeBron is in his prime, he had the Lakers at fourth in the West by himself. It is possible he could take them to the Western Conference Finals and the Warriors have had their trouble with injuries. If Durant and Green go down who knows...
    "Train hard, play (matches) harder"

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    The West front court is pretty much set imo.

    Jokic, LeBron, KD, AD, Paul George are shoe-ins.

    The last spot will either go to Doncic, Steven Adams or Gobert. Gobert is having a career year across the board. Same can be said about Steven Adams although Gobert is playing better. Doncic, I'd love to see him make it, but I don't think he's done enough to take a spot from Adams or Gobert. I wouldn't object to any of those 3 making it.

    Doncic IMO would have a better shot if he was placed as a guard.

    To me, there are only 4 guarantees for Guard in the West: Curry, Westbrook, Harden and Lillard. De'Aaron Fox is getting shafted here, but he also deserves to make it. You have Derozan, Rose and Klay Thompson for the other 3. I'm not sure about any of them. Klay definitely shouldn't be in this year. Derozan's been too inconsistent.

    For the East it's a little less clear.

    Front court: Giannis, Embiid and Kawhi obviously. Vucevic deserves to make it as well since he's been a top 3 center this year. I can't make a good case for anyone else after those 4. No one on the Celtics deserves to make it.

    Guards: Kyrie, Kemba, Simmons, and Bradley Beal. You need a player from Indiana so probably Oladipo. I can't make a strong case for anyone after that.

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