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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Jorge 69 View Post
    Elflein had some struggles this year but mostly with power bull rushes, I think jumping in right at the start of the season impacted his strength and conditioning and I don't see them looking to replace him in the next year. The guys on either side of him were absolutely paathetic as well.

    Reiff I disagree on. I think he could be a potential trade candidate but should by no means feel safe, he was a literal turnstyle this year. There are options in the draft to replace him.

    GUARDS- we need help here.

    Also, I understand the calls for Oline but lets not totally discredit Speilman.
    When the draft started we expected Easton at Rg and Berger announced his retirement 3 weeks prior
    Reiff and Remmers were both above average last year and who could have expected such a huge decline from last year
    Oneil was a guy we all scoffed at and wow what a pick he ended up being
    Aviante Collins was actually playing very well too start the preseason but got injured

    He for sure deserves some blame for the Oline but he has made efforts to sign big name FA lineman every single season and has drafted starters. They just can't seem to get away from the injury bug when it comes to Oline.

    They could go any way in the draft depending on who they keep in FA but Barra and Waynes are the big swing guys:
    Is Barr goes, they may need to spend that $ on a FA OG and draft a LB ( Barr is up and down but we don't have LB depth and Gedeon sucks in my opinion)
    If Waynes goes it should be via a trade and they should have additional draft ammo
    Iím willing to give Elflein a pass because of the injury but he struggled with the bull rush last year too. Hopefully a healthy offseason allows him to take a leap forward. Heís never going to be elite but I still expect him to become a solid player.

    PFF graded Reiff as above average and the 24th overall tackle. That seems about right to me. He had some awful moments but for the most part heís good enough. I doubt anybody trades for him and it doesnít make sense to cut him without a replacement ready. Plus thatís too big of a cap hit to take. He should feel some heat but he might have been our best lineman overall. I know, not saying much.

    We can cut Sendejo and Remmers for sure. Iím going to assume Richardson is gone, unless he agrees to another 1 year deal. I expect Griffen and Rudolph to be restructured. Especially Griffen, considering Weatherly really stepped in during his absence. We should be able to create enough cap space to make a decent signing along the o-line. Maybe do something like sign Roger Saffold (if he reaches the market) and then draft another guard in the 1st or 2nd round. Iím hoping we can sign a guard who is a definite starter so we can be more flexible in the first round. Usually the best value for a guard each year is in the 2nd round. If we sign a guard we could look for a DT (this class is LOADED at DT) or a play maker like Noah Fant. This class looks like itís going to have talent at the positions we need help at the most.


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    2019 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Garrett Bradbury C N.C. State
    Round 2: Irv Smith TE Alabama
    Round 3: Alex Mattison RB Boise State
    Round 4: Dru Samia G Oklahoma
    Round 5: Cameron Smith LB USC
    Round 6: Armon Watts DT Arkansas
    Round 6: Marcus Epps S Wyoming
    Round 6: Oli Udoh OT Elon
    Round 7: Kris Boyd CB Texas
    Round 7: Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
    Round 7: Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
    Round 7: Austin Cutting LS Air Force


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    I wonder if we have any plans on moving O'neill to LT in the future. If he can continue to get stronger, and get better with his technique, I think he could be an elite left tackle. But my favorite Olineman that I want us to get goes as follows:
    1.) Jonah Williams
    2.) Cody Ford
    3.) Jawan Taylor
    4.) Dalton Risner
    5.) Greg Little
    A dark horse for me would be Max Scharping, could be a steal with our 2nd or 3rd round pick.
    I would be damn happy if we got one of the first three with our First round pick and would be ecstatic if we got two of the six I mentioned in the first two rounds. If we did, It would go a LOOONG way to making our Oline a strength.
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    According to Goessling the Vikings will have slightly over 11 million in cap space before we make any moves. Cutting Remmers and Sendejo should push that to about 20. Restructuring Rudy and Griffen frees up more money. Thatís enough to bring in a good lineman.


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    2019 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Garrett Bradbury C N.C. State
    Round 2: Irv Smith TE Alabama
    Round 3: Alex Mattison RB Boise State
    Round 4: Dru Samia G Oklahoma
    Round 5: Cameron Smith LB USC
    Round 6: Armon Watts DT Arkansas
    Round 6: Marcus Epps S Wyoming
    Round 6: Oli Udoh OT Elon
    Round 7: Kris Boyd CB Texas
    Round 7: Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
    Round 7: Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
    Round 7: Austin Cutting LS Air Force


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    There are a few intriguing FA guards:

    Roger Saffold
    Ramon Foster
    Quinton Spain

    A few others solid guys who have been starters:

    Andy Levitre
    James Carpenter
    DJ Fluker
    AJ Cann
    Jeff Allen


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    2019 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Garrett Bradbury C N.C. State
    Round 2: Irv Smith TE Alabama
    Round 3: Alex Mattison RB Boise State
    Round 4: Dru Samia G Oklahoma
    Round 5: Cameron Smith LB USC
    Round 6: Armon Watts DT Arkansas
    Round 6: Marcus Epps S Wyoming
    Round 6: Oli Udoh OT Elon
    Round 7: Kris Boyd CB Texas
    Round 7: Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
    Round 7: Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
    Round 7: Austin Cutting LS Air Force


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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    I took a quick look at some potential draft picks and at first glance I saw an OT from Wisconsin who looks to be available when we pick at 18. Wisconsin is always putting quality lineman in the NFL. David Edwards is the name. Another I saw is Greg Little from Ole Miss. Jonah Williams is the top OT in this class but doubtful he falls to 18.

    If Zim wants to be able to run the ball heís going to need lineman who can get the job done. Only OíNeill should be able to lay claim to starting job in 2019. I can give Elflein a pass because of his injury hurting his off-season but he wasnít exactly a good lineman last year either. Luckily we can cut Remmers with a minimal cap hit. Reiff shouldnít be feeling to comfy either but 6 million is a lot to eat so heís likely back at LT again. At the very least we better have 2 new starting guards in 2019. We can probably get by with Reiff but our interior was just awful this year.


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    If Reiff is starting at LT next year our offseason was a complete failure in my opinion. That position is way too important and we canít keep rolling scrubs out there and expecting better results. Itís time for Spielman to put up or shut up in regards to improving the offensive line this offseason or else iím done with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nasthemasta View Post
    If Reiff is starting at LT next year our offseason was a complete failure in my opinion. That position is way too important and we canít keep rolling scrubs out there and expecting better results. Itís time for Spielman to put up or shut up in regards to improving the offensive line this offseason or else iím done with him.
    It's going to be hard to cut Reiff though with his cap hit.
    We need 3 new OLmen imo. O'Neill and Elflein are the only 2 worth keeping. Compton and Remmers absolutely must gtfo.
    Wonder if there's any chance Easton is able to come back next year? He wasn't amazing, but was far better than what we threw out there this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nasthemasta View Post
    If Reiff is starting at LT next year our offseason was a complete failure in my opinion. That position is way too important and we canít keep rolling scrubs out there and expecting better results. Itís time for Spielman to put up or shut up in regards to improving the offensive line this offseason or else iím done with him.
    I said this earlier but Iím confused on the Reiff criticism. This feels a little like guilty by association. PFF ranked him as the 24th overall tackle. I agree he had his bad moments, like the Bills game, but Reiff is serviceable. What I saw the majority of our issues on the line came from the interior. Reiff isnít elite by an means but again serviceable. This FA class doesnít have a clear replacement. At 18th overall there is no guarantee we find anything in the draft. Then we have the issue of a little over 6 million in dead money we owe Reiff if we cut him and then we have to find a better OT. I donít see that happening.


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    2019 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Garrett Bradbury C N.C. State
    Round 2: Irv Smith TE Alabama
    Round 3: Alex Mattison RB Boise State
    Round 4: Dru Samia G Oklahoma
    Round 5: Cameron Smith LB USC
    Round 6: Armon Watts DT Arkansas
    Round 6: Marcus Epps S Wyoming
    Round 6: Oli Udoh OT Elon
    Round 7: Kris Boyd CB Texas
    Round 7: Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
    Round 7: Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
    Round 7: Austin Cutting LS Air Force


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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    According to Goessling the Vikings will have slightly over 11 million in cap space before we make any moves. Cutting Remmers and Sendejo should push that to about 20. Restructuring Rudy and Griffen frees up more money. Thatís enough to bring in a good lineman.


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    I think we have to look for a starter in the draft. Going FA has not helped us as you have to overpay to get less than stellar value. I wonder if there is any chance at moving the rook to LT and Reiff back to RT? May wait one more year for that but the guards need some upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    I said this earlier but Iím confused on the Reiff criticism. This feels a little like guilty by association. PFF ranked him as the 24th overall tackle. I agree he had his bad moments, like the Bills game, but Reiff is serviceable. What I saw the majority of our issues on the line came from the interior. Reiff isnít elite by an means but again serviceable. This FA class doesnít have a clear replacement. At 18th overall there is no guarantee we find anything in the draft. Then we have the issue of a little over 6 million in dead money we owe Reiff if we cut him and then we have to find a better OT. I donít see that happening.


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    I donít mind keeping Reiff especially if it costs 6 million against the cap if heís cut, but he should not be locked into a starting spot by any means. I respect PFF but i also trust what I watch every sunday, and Reiff gets beat far too often to rely on him in a pivotal year next year. We need to bring in multiple quality lineman through the draft and free agency and have an open competition all across the board. If Reiff is good enough to win a job in camp thatís fine, but we all know how injuries kill us year after year on the o-line and you need to have depth. Reiff would be a GREAT swing lineman thatís first off the bench in case of injury. I know thatís an expensive reserve but he can play guard and both tackle positions so heís very flexible. You have to believe that with a strong emphasis on offensive line in the draft and free agency weíd be able to add at least a solid tackle and 2 interior lineman. Some major overhaul needs to be done with the starting unit. Compton and Remmers should be cut and Reiff should be battling for a job and preferably in a swing role in my opinion.

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    I've been a very big Rick Spielman fan, and have loved Mike Zimmer. But let's be real here. There have been LOTS of missed picks and stupid draft picks. We look at the plethora of talent that we have on this team that was drafted or brought in by Spielman (Cook, Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, Hunter, Griffen, Barr, Kendricks, Rhodes, Smith, etc) and think that he kills the draft. But there have been SO many EARLY round draft picks that were so wasted (Treadwell, Alexander, Waynes, Gerhart, Crichton, Patterson). Finding a lot of late round steals does not make up for botching so many picks in rounds 1-3. They HAVE to find a competent offensive line this year, or the hot seat is going to get smoking next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    I said this earlier but Iím confused on the Reiff criticism. This feels a little like guilty by association. PFF ranked him as the 24th overall tackle. I agree he had his bad moments, like the Bills game, but Reiff is serviceable. What I saw the majority of our issues on the line came from the interior. Reiff isnít elite by an means but again serviceable. This FA class doesnít have a clear replacement. At 18th overall there is no guarantee we find anything in the draft. Then we have the issue of a little over 6 million in dead money we owe Reiff if we cut him and then we have to find a better OT. I donít see that happening.


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    You likely have to over pay for the top guys but you can find value. It's going to be hard to find 2 starting guards in the draft. I think one of them will have to be a FA. Andy Levitre would be a solid a pick up to play LG. Then on draft day you find your starting RG in the 1st or 2nd round.
    2019 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Garrett Bradbury C N.C. State
    Round 2: Irv Smith TE Alabama
    Round 3: Alex Mattison RB Boise State
    Round 4: Dru Samia G Oklahoma
    Round 5: Cameron Smith LB USC
    Round 6: Armon Watts DT Arkansas
    Round 6: Marcus Epps S Wyoming
    Round 6: Oli Udoh OT Elon
    Round 7: Kris Boyd CB Texas
    Round 7: Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
    Round 7: Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
    Round 7: Austin Cutting LS Air Force


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    This draft is loaded with high-end talent on the DL, both at the Edge and Tackle positions, so I hope Zimmer doesn't get a key to the Draft Room. If we walk from Richardson, I could see us taking a DT fairly early but my homerun pick in the 1st Round is OG Cody Ford from Oklahoma assuming OT Jonah Williams (Alabama) is long gone by the time we pick as expected.

    Dalton Risner (Kansas St.) has great versatility playing both OG and OT in college but I don't believe he has the upside of Ford. Greg Little is also very appealing but early projections are all over the board as I've seen him as high as #3 overall and also as late as the 3rd Round.

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    Cody Ford would be a fantastic pick as he his big, powerful and plays mean. That's exactly what we are missing in the middle.

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    Ya I would love a good olineman in the first and as a top priority in FA as well. Probably both at G then use a later pick on an OT too to groom/compete with Reiff (could even be a 2nd, rather do too much on oline than too little this offseason).

    I think our defense should mostly be fine. We will need a LB most likely given Barr and maybe a DT (I kinda think Richardson could stay). Safety next to Harrison has always kinda been a rotiation and I think can/will be the same next year fill it kinda cheap. I think we can go into the draft with maybe one defensive hole to fill and then just the oline to focus on.

    Does anyone have an idea if some olineman would be traded this offseason? Moving a later pick for a vet makes sense to me for us if it is out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Ya I would love a good olineman in the first and as a top priority in FA as well. Probably both at G then use a later pick on an OT too to groom/compete with Reiff (could even be a 2nd, rather do too much on oline than too little this offseason).

    I think our defense should mostly be fine. We will need a LB most likely given Barr and maybe a DT (I kinda think Richardson could stay). Safety next to Harrison has always kinda been a rotiation and I think can/will be the same next year fill it kinda cheap. I think we can go into the draft with maybe one defensive hole to fill and then just the oline to focus on.

    Does anyone have an idea if some olineman would be traded this offseason? Moving a later pick for a vet makes sense to me for us if it is out there.
    I can't remember if it was on here or on Twitter but there was some talk about asking SD about Forrest Lamp.

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