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    Quote Originally Posted by king james View Post
    I hear ya but letís be real here. Amari will be here long term. The Jones are toooooo prideful to admit that they messed up and they will compound their screw up with giving him a new contract regardless of how he plays. You all know that already. The only good thing that can come from signing him to a long term contract in the off season is that his value is low right now and they maybe able to get him for a reasonable price.
    their screw ups was not getting a wr in the offseason or releasing dez who should have been cut earlier so they would have the cap to get someone. now they just made up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    who gaf? everyone here has said that, most on youtube has said that. fact remains you werent getting a wr as good as coop in the draft unless you want to argue with dane bugler and the "talking heads" on that too.


    you know what they say about a person who cant let things go, especially after they are over and done with
    You mean like the way you won't let things go whenever there's any criticism of Dak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketfuel View Post
    Just check out most of the talk shows and articles being written about the trade. The Cowboys overpaid for Amari. You say probowl receiver as if he is that now...he hasn't made the probowl in 2 years. Look at his last two seasons. He's not having a good year.
    What I said is a fact, heís a 24 year old 2-time pro bowl WR. His last pro bowl was in 2016. The last two years that entire Raiders team has had tons of internal turmoil, a coaching change (to a guy who is hurting the team), and the Raiders have become complete trash. Amari did have a down year in 2017, and has had a down year this year as far as his numbers. But again, itís not like heís a 30+ year old WR on the downside of his career. Heís 24 and hasnít even entered his prime yet. A 24 year old that has already been to 2 pro bowls. So the talent is there. Is it a gamble trading a 1st? Sure it is. But if the change of scenery helps him regain his pro bowl form the price will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    What I said is a fact, heís a 24 year old 2-time pro bowl WR. His last pro bowl was in 2016. The last two years that entire Raiders team has had tons of internal turmoil, a coaching change (to a guy who is hurting the team), and the Raiders have become complete trash. Amari did have a down year in 2017, and has had a down year this year as far as his numbers. But again, itís not like heís a 30+ year old WR on the downside of his career. Heís 24 and hasnít even entered his prime yet. A 24 year old that has already been to 2 pro bowls. So the talent is there. Is it a gamble trading a 1st? Sure it is. But if the change of scenery helps him regain his pro bowl form the price will be worth it.
    But, have you been watching him play? He has significantly dropped ooff. In 2017, he ranked an abysmal 190th in catch %. He was ranked 81st in receptions, which is far behind Terrence Williams, who was ranked 67th and Terrence isn't highly regarded on this board. Over the past three seasons, Cooper has had a drop rate of 13.62 percent, which ranks fourth-worst in the NFL (among qualifying receivers) behind Torrey Smith (16.82), J.J. Nelson (15.91) and Raiders teammate Seth Roberts (14.39). If you watch the games, the balls will hit in the hands and he flat out drops them...that's on him. He just couldn't hold on to the ball and John Gruden and other previous coaches had many come to Jesus meetings to try to fix this problem that's been recurring for 3 seasons. My point was that a first rounder was too rich for him.

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    Any teams looking for a WR we should be in contact with. Hurns and Butler should be on the trading block. Even if we only get a 3rd for Hurns and a 5th for Butler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbz88 View Post
    Any teams looking for a WR we should be in contact with. Hurns and Butler should be on the trading block. Even if we only get a 3rd for Hurns and a 5th for Butler.

    butler isnt even on the roster, he was cut monday. thompson gets us a 4th round comp pick if he gets cut and was on the roster for 10 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketfuel View Post
    You mean like the way you won't let things go whenever there's any criticism of Dak?
    if i am always so wrong, and to be clear im not always right. dallas wouldnt be trying to help their qb. hes here this year and all of next year, deal with it or find a new team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    if i am always so wrong, and to be clear im not always right. dallas wouldnt be trying to help their qb. hes here this year and all of next year, deal with it or find a new team.
    You're really only rooting for Dak. When he's gone, you'll be with whatever team he's on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketfuel View Post
    You're really only rooting for Dak. When he's gone, you'll be with whatever team he's on.
    dak does good this team does good, what a stupid concept.

    the type of qb you want doesnt grow on trees. dan bugler just said yesterday in nice terms that outside of herbert entering the draft next year the entire qb class is trash. we werent getting herbert at 6-10 anyway without offering three #1's and at least a 2nd. still no guarantee that he will be good, still going to take him two to three years to become good if he is going to be. ive factually stated that im fine drafting a new qb but ive also stated that they cant miss. this franchise/team with zeke and the defense (OL isnt superior anymore) cant waste time developing another qb. if a change is going to happen it has to be an immediate upgrade not a future plan.

    they can draft one after next season if dak sucks, still going to take 2-3 years at least to get the kid up to speed. the window to win is a lot smaller with a new drafted qb than it is if dak produces. this season may be a wash but the next 3-4 arent and if dak improves if this offense improves we have multiple years to win a championship. drafting a kid gives us two years at best before our defense declines, before cooper is 30, before the ol is a lot older and declining even more. also giving up multiple picks for a qb is really a rebuild. this team hasnt proven in over a decade that in can draft beyond rounds one and two. gallup has his arrow going up but its far from a given. so giving up a **** load of picks isnt doing this team any favors, sorry. players are going to decline and need to be replaced as we wait on rookie qb to get good if that happens. what other resources do we have besides the draft?

    what you dont understand is jerry was never taking a qb next year, otherwise cooper wouldnt be here. cooper is better than any wr coming out of the draft. dane doesnt have one with a first round grade. he has two at 28 and 32 but there arent 28 let alone 32 prospects in any draft that have 1st round grades, you still have to draft players at those spots regardless of if they are a first rounder or second rounder on your board.

    dane said if herbert doesnt come out there shouldnt be a qb taken in the top 10 of the draft next year. probably will be, teams are desperate. in 2020 tua, haskins and herbert (more than likely since his lil bro is a freshman next year at oregon) gives you a chance to move up and get one without giving up as much.

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    I noticed earlier that some are saying Dallas can still decide on Amari's 5th year option. However, 2019 is Cooper's 5th year option year. It was already picked up by the Raiders before this season, and therefore goes with him to Dallas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    dak does good this team does good, what a stupid concept.

    the type of qb you want doesnt grow on trees. dan bugler just said yesterday in nice terms that outside of herbert entering the draft next year the entire qb class is trash. we werent getting herbert at 6-10 anyway without offering three #1's and at least a 2nd. still no guarantee that he will be good, still going to take him two to three years to become good if he is going to be. ive factually stated that im fine drafting a new qb but ive also stated that they cant miss. this franchise/team with zeke and the defense (OL isnt superior anymore) cant waste time developing another qb. if a change is going to happen it has to be an immediate upgrade not a future plan.

    they can draft one after next season if dak sucks, still going to take 2-3 years at least to get the kid up to speed. the window to win is a lot smaller with a new drafted qb than it is if dak produces. this season may be a wash but the next 3-4 arent and if dak improves if this offense improves we have multiple years to win a championship. drafting a kid gives us two years at best before our defense declines, before cooper is 30, before the ol is a lot older and declining even more. also giving up multiple picks for a qb is really a rebuild. this team hasnt proven in over a decade that in can draft beyond rounds one and two. gallup has his arrow going up but its far from a given. so giving up a **** load of picks isnt doing this team any favors, sorry. players are going to decline and need to be replaced as we wait on rookie qb to get good if that happens. what other resources do we have besides the draft?

    what you dont understand is jerry was never taking a qb next year, otherwise cooper wouldnt be here. cooper is better than any wr coming out of the draft. dane doesnt have one with a first round grade. he has two at 28 and 32 but there arent 28 let alone 32 prospects in any draft that have 1st round grades, you still have to draft players at those spots regardless of if they are a first rounder or second rounder on your board.

    dane said if herbert doesnt come out there shouldnt be a qb taken in the top 10 of the draft next year. probably will be, teams are desperate. in 2020 tua, haskins and herbert (more than likely since his lil bro is a freshman next year at oregon) gives you a chance to move up and get one without giving up as much.
    You love Dak. You're only here for Dak. It's always everyone else's fault besides Dak. If Amari doesn't work out it will only hasten Dak being pushed out the door. You think jerry will be loyal to Dak? Dez was one of his favorites. If amari struggles the heat will be on dak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketfuel View Post
    You love Dak. You're only here for Dak. It's always everyone else's fault besides Dak. If Amari doesn't work out it will only hasten Dak being pushed out the door. You think jerry will be loyal to Dak? Dez was one of his favorites. If amari struggles the heat will be on dak.

    cant talk to a potato, without getting political we know where you stand on life issues and its not to the right or center.

    you want to talk football and ****, let me know. you want to rant and ramble like an adult in a diaper with no substance to your posts. just pretend we care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    cant talk to a potato, without getting political we know where you stand on life issues and its not to the right or center.

    you want to talk football and ****, let me know. you want to rant and ramble like an adult in a diaper with no substance to your posts. just pretend we care.
    What are you even ranting about? You don't talk about football. Your only interest every week is Dak and people's perception of Dak. I am certain that if someone brings up Dak having a bad game, you will be there to make excuses for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketfuel View Post
    What are you even ranting about? You don't talk about football. Your only interest every week is Dak and people's perception of Dak. I am certain that if someone brings up Dak having a bad game, you will be there to make excuses for him.

    you're fos. my interest is wins and losses and some phantom qb thats never going to be a free agent isnt the answer. plenty of qbs as bad or worse than dak have made it to and won championships. thats the only thing that matters winning. the qb doesnt meant ****, winning does.

    your only concern should be wins, not meaningless stats this isnt fantasy. you can *****, you can point out bad play, no problem, i have. but i also dont ignore meaningful stats like our WR getting open on 36.3% of his attempts, OL being **** in both the passing and running game. everyone screamed about gallup being wide open on the fumble, he was, dak was late and he should have held onto the ball. that said a few hours later mahomes missed a wide open watkins and kelce in the endzone on SNF. i dont care who the f'n qb is, they all miss open wr multiple times a game. if every qb let alone one made the right reads all of the time and the right throws that qb/team would never f'n lose. it doesnt work like that coach couch potato, the players are still human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    you're fos. my interest is wins and losses and some phantom qb thats never going to be a free agent isnt the answer. plenty of qbs as bad or worse than dak have made it to and won championships. thats the only thing that matters winning. the qb doesnt meant ****, winning does.

    your only concern should be wins, not meaningless stats this isnt fantasy. you can *****, you can point out bad play, no problem, i have. but i also dont ignore meaningful stats like our WR getting open on 36.3% of his attempts, OL being **** in both the passing and running game. everyone screamed about gallup being wide open on the fumble, he was, dak was late and he should have held onto the ball. that said a few hours later mahomes missed a wide open watkins and kelce in the endzone on SNF. i dont care who the f'n qb is, they all miss open wr multiple times a game. if every qb let alone one made the right reads all of the time and the right throws that qb/team would never f'n lose. it doesnt work like that coach couch potato, the players are still human.
    You're FOS. Anyone who's been on this forum for the past few years can see your weekly posts making excuses for Dak. It's like the only thing you care about. You're so worried that Dak will be perceived badly you'd jump on commenters for pointing out any flaws. Stop pretending that you care about the Cowboys. Your only interest is how it reflects on Dak.

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