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  1. #10726
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Wait a minute what has worked with other minorities? Did we get a pile of money to shut up? Why didn't the Negro League notify me of my check? Shut up about what? Are we pestering good hard-working white folks again?

    The Indians are rich from Casinos? It was they who stretched those treaties?

    Why do you talk like someone from the twilight zone? Nothing you posted, here, has roots in reality but hey, whatever it takes to valid your world view, I guess.
    Go back and re-read………

    This is what I said………That hasn't worked with other minorities.

    Hasn't. Not has. Hasn't.

    Tons of money has been thrown at minorities in dozens of programs and thongs are no better (and maybe far worse) than before. SNAP, housing, graining, AFDC, social programs, educational programs yada, yada, yada. And there has been no improvement.

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    SC just ruled unanimously that a state can punish or remove “faithless electors”. Can’t switch your vote for another candidate if you don’t like who your state elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    So that's you answer????

    Just give the Indians a pile of $$$$ to shut them up???? That hasn't worked with other minorities.

    Really, they have plenty of land up there, why not just leave things as is for the sake of simplicity. Look at all the $$$$ Indians have been allowed to amass from casinos all over the place. They seemed to have stretched those treaties pretty well.
    Yes, it has worked out so well that 3 of the absolute POOREST counties in the country...are on reservations in South Dakota. Do you think we gave them GOOD land for their reservations? Sure, it might be enough land for the current numbers if more of it was actual workable land.

    I don't know who set it up that way or why, but casinos could be a lot better for them than they are. The way they work, the local tribe shares in the profits of the local casino and they determine who has the bloodline to qualify. Tribes near a larger population may do alright, but a tribe like those on Pine Ridge don't have the draw for large dollars thru their casino while also having a large number in the tribe to split those dollars with. Meanwhile, there's a tribe south of Minneapolis that generates HUGE dollars and is a SMALL tribe...so members there may get more in a monthly check than those on Pine Ridge see in 2 years. To me, logic would say these monies are more easily shared, but that means tribes being willing to work together to do that.

    Regardless, to say there's plenty of land and money from casinos is excessively short-sighted. Their situation is often worse than inner cities, just with differing problems surrounding them.

    Off topic somewhat, but I'd bet there'll eventually be a movie about the situation surrounding a federal program a few years back. Money was designated specifically with the idea of preparing and persuading more natives to go to college. But the company contracted to disseminate those monies was corrupted and much of the money siphoned...improperly. End result is virtually no natives went to college because of the program, there was a murder-suicide of an entire family, and questions about whether the suicide wasn't also a murder.

    What we should do, I don't know. There's too many layers to even consider simply going by old treaties. However, natives hold hard to old culture often to their own detriment, and resulting in endless cycles that make it difficult for many of them to live in old culture but current circumstances.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Off topic somewhat, but I'd bet there'll eventually be a movie about the situation surrounding a federal program a few years back. Money was designated specifically with the idea of preparing and persuading more natives to go to college. But the company contracted to disseminate those monies was corrupted and much of the money siphoned...improperly. End result is virtually no natives went to college because of the program, there was a murder-suicide of an entire family, and questions about whether the suicide wasn't also a murder.
    I’d be interested in a link if you have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Our government has broken so many treaties with the native Americans that it is possible that the Lakotas did nave it at one time until gold was discovered there and thus.....
    yeah, a treaty in 1868 gave them the land forever followed by it being taken just 6 years later and tribes split to 5 reservations elsewhere in the state....all of it largely unfarmable prairie land....but hey, we got our gold

    Live here


    or here
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Yes, it has worked out so well that 3 of the absolute POOREST counties in the country...are on reservations in South Dakota. Do you think we gave them GOOD land for their reservations? Sure, it might be enough land for the current numbers if more of it was actual workable land.

    I don't know who set it up that way or why, but casinos could be a lot better for them than they are. The way they work, the local tribe shares in the profits of the local casino and they determine who has the bloodline to qualify. Tribes near a larger population may do alright, but a tribe like those on Pine Ridge don't have the draw for large dollars thru their casino while also having a large number in the tribe to split those dollars with. Meanwhile, there's a tribe south of Minneapolis that generates HUGE dollars and is a SMALL tribe...so members there may get more in a monthly check than those on Pine Ridge see in 2 years. To me, logic would say these monies are more easily shared, but that means tribes being willing to work together to do that.

    Regardless, to say there's plenty of land and money from casinos is excessively short-sighted. Their situation is often worse than inner cities, just with differing problems surrounding them.

    Off topic somewhat, but I'd bet there'll eventually be a movie about the situation surrounding a federal program a few years back. Money was designated specifically with the idea of preparing and persuading more natives to go to college. But the company contracted to disseminate those monies was corrupted and much of the money siphoned...improperly. End result is virtually no natives went to college because of the program, there was a murder-suicide of an entire family, and questions about whether the suicide wasn't also a murder.

    What we should do, I don't know. There's too many layers to even consider simply going by old treaties. However, natives hold hard to old culture often to their own detriment, and resulting in endless cycles that make it difficult for many of them to live in old culture but current circumstances.
    My own theory……again is this multiculturalism. They want to maintain their Indian ways. OK. That's their call. If they tried to assimilate into our western culture (it's here to stay by the way) they would do a lot better. Hopping around a campfire beating drums doesn't really work out all that well…but they are perfectly free to do that if that is what they want to do. Teaching their kids to speak the old languages is very colorful but of little help in getting along in our society. (Just ask Hispanics that can't speak English.) But that is entirely their call.

    I've said this before…any society can have multiple cultures. But only one culture can dominate. Just the way it is. If you insist on keeping your sub-culture as your primary culture, you will not fit in. But you have every right to do so.

    I have a Jewish friend that dates everything according to the Jewish Calendar. Seems a bit silly and she constantly has to explain the whys and wherefores as to the date. People just roll their eyes and shrug her off. She probably doesn't even know she is being ignored. But, again, using the Jewish calendar is her choice. Makes no sense to me.

    Always seems easier to just try to fit in.

    But do what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    yeah, a treaty in 1868 gave them the land forever followed by it being taken just 6 years later and tribes split to 5 reservations elsewhere in the state....all of it largely unfarmable prairie land....but hey, we got our gold

    Live here


    or here
    Conquered people come up with the short end of the stick.

    This has happened throughout history and all over the world.

    Sad and unfair but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I’d be interested in a link if you have one.
    I'll tell you...some of this is still hush hush, a friend of mine who worked at the SD Dept of Education (who contracted with that company), still won't say all he knows.

    But here's one- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ag-sout...e-grant-money/
    Or https://www.argusleader.com/story/ne...lion/81857374/
    And https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...kota/72621140/
    One more- https://www.argusleader.com/story/ne...is/1601877002/
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Imagine thinking giving natives back their stolen land is an absurd idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Conquered people come up with the short end of the stick.

    This has happened throughout history and all over the world.

    Sad and unfair but true.
    The conquered people were granted land legally, by contract with the federal government....then shoved off that land when the federal government decided 'oh wait, there's gold here....you have to go there instead' ...they hadn't 'conquered' them again, just bullied them off land they'd just given 'em
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Imagine thinking giving natives back their stolen land is an absurd idea

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    There's just so many layers in determining a 'right' thing to do. I mean I have friends who worked their entire lives to be able to buy a small acreage in the Black Hills to build a hobby farm and retire on. They sacrificed for years by living more economically than their income might allow so they could retire and make the move a little early. Now they finally have their house with a beautiful view nestled in the woods out there. They bought the land legally.....you wanna tell them and thousands like them that oh, by the way, we decided to give this land back to the natives.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    The conquered people were granted land legally, by contract with the federal government....then shoved off that land when the federal government decided 'oh wait, there's gold here....you have to go there instead' ...they hadn't 'conquered' them again, just bullied them off land they'd just given 'em
    Very sad but not much you can do about it now.

    Is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Very sad but not much you can do about it now.

    Is what it is.
    About 15-20 years ago Tampa was building the hockey arena when they excavated some human bones. Everything stopped to determine whose bones they were. The contractor, city, county, state were beside themselves in case the bones belonged to the Seminole tribe. Then it would become sacred ground and who knows what would have happened after that.

    Fortunately, they were able to prove somehow that the bones belonged to some dead white soldiers from someplace called Fort Brooke. Given that information, no one gave a spit and construction went on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Very sad but not much you can do about it now.

    Is what it is.
    Sure they could, I'm sure it would be rough to watch people getting thrown off their land for nothing in return, but you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    with what you said.



    people that put border control as an important issue are justified in that. Americans have been victimized, raped, murdered, by illegal immigrants. their opinions matter and if they want to make border security a top issue then they are justified in that.
    Wtf are you talking about?

    Talking about an imaginary border wall is not the same thing as caring about border control.

    The rest of your post is just racist diarrhea coming out of your mouth, I’ll leave you to fix that yourself
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