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    Lastly, it's often talked about how Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin once as the nominee. She only went to Michigan very late in the game.

    She neglected a lot of states and that won't be happening again, especially if it's Sanders. Not only will he be there, but he'll be there with the ground game juggernaut he has built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    Bernie's base is young voters. Young voters don't vote.
    You're saying his base won't vote for him. Galaxy brain argument.

    The youth not showing up would be a great argument if Mayor Hillary Klobuchar was the nominee. Not Bernie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Lastly, it's often talked about how Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin once as the nominee. She only went to Michigan very late in the game.

    She neglected a lot of states and that won't be happening again, especially if it's Sanders. Not only will he be there, but he'll be there with the ground game juggernaut he has built.
    All those rust belt states that live off the jobs that Bernie opposes and wants to get rid off... Good luck campaigning and flipping those states on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    You're saying his base won't vote for him. Galaxy brain argument.

    The youth not showing up would be a great argument if Mayor Hillary Klobuchar was the nominee. Not Bernie.
    You can win primaries with your base, but you need more than that for a nation wide election. Bernie doesn't have that draw. I don't know why your doubting that the youth don't vote as much. It's clear they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    You can win primaries with your base, but you need more than that for a nation wide election. Bernie doesn't have that draw. I don't know why your doubting that the youth don't vote as much. It's clear they don't.
    He very clearly does. He won like every single demographic last night. And of the few he didn't, he was as competitive as anyone else. Independents LIKE him. There's nothing suggesting any of this.

    Again, you're just saying things without anything really backing them up. I'll stop because there's no benefit for me to convince you you're wrong.
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    Always take polls with a grain of salt but they are better estimates then random republicans/moderates insisting only moderates can win.

    Trump v. Dems in WI, MI, and PA - Most Recent YouGov
    Wis
    Sanders 46% / Trump 44%
    Biden 44% / Trump 43%
    Buttigieg 44% / Trump 43%
    Warren 46% / Trump 44%
    Klobuchar 44% / Trump 43%
    MI
    Sanders 48% / Trump 41%
    Biden 47% / Trump 43%
    Buttigieg 47% / Trump 41%
    Warren 46% / Trump 43%
    Klobuchar 44% / Trump 41%
    PA
    Sanders 47% / Trump 45%
    Biden 46% / Trump 45%
    Buttigieg 44% / Trump 44%
    Warren 45% / Trump 45%
    Klobuchar 43% / Trump 43%

    Anything you look at has Sanders in the race. He typically overperforms his polls. He's got the best ground game in the business, and he still has a ton of time left that he'll be spending in the Midwest for both primary and general election season. But by all means please discount him.

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6862.html
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6768.html
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6745.html

    PA/MI/NC all show him currently ahead in their average with Wisconsin being a tie...

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6842.html
    Florida has very slight edge Sanders basically a tie too.

    I think Sanders would have a decent chance against Trump overall despite much of the rhetoric you hear. He is the most likely of the dem candidates to be able to do so actually imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    Bernie's base is young voters. Young voters don't vote. He's betting all of his chances on a historic turnout for the dems... shaky ground at best.
    Just the evidence from Trumps own primaries, the Republicans won't forget to vote.
    Klobuchar is the only moderate dem you have, if they were smart, they would push her like crazy.
    Obama got the young voters and new voters out, thus the record turn-out, Hillary didn't

    In Iowa, every demographic turn-out was alittle low but the youth voters and first time voters were high.

    Bernie didn't get the minorities vote in 2016, so he made changes. Those new voters are coming from the latino voters and foreign born citizens in Iowa and Nevada. He got lower income workers and unionist vote with his medicare for all. People keep underestimating the appeal of this policies. No one is in love with their insurance company like the republicans, and news political pundits are pushing, especially those who leans heavy on it.

    Keep underestimating the youth turn out.


    LOLOL. You think the democrats will need a historic turn out to beat Trump? Where is Trump's vast and various
    demographics? Do you think that anger older white male is going to carry the day for him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I've answered it. Bernie thinks the people should be running businesses "democratically" which they would be doing using the force of government. That is socialism. Bernies proposed policies don't reflect that during his recent campaigns, but he's said things all around that simple concept literally for decades. That plus his regular and repeated praise of socialist leaders and socialist governments make it really clear that Bernie's personal philosophy is socialist.

    That said, and I've said this before too, I'm a capitalist, but Bernie got my vote in the primaries in 2016 and I'm considering him now, just because the alternatives are SO much worse, and I suspect Bernie won't be able to get much done while he's a likely 1 term President (if he wins).

    My vote for Prez doesn't matter much as Dems are not going to come close to winning Texas, but in the Primary right now I think I'll vote for Amy, but it's close.
    That’s regulation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nessythegreat View Post
    You can win primaries with your base, but you need more than that for a nation wide election. Bernie doesn't have that draw. I don't know why your doubting that the youth don't vote as much. It's clear they don't.
    People who aren’t exactly likely to vote are much less likely to vote in primaries than in the GE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Obama got the young voters and new voters out, thus the record turn-out, Hillary didn't

    In Iowa, every demographic turn-out was alittle low but the youth voters and first time voters were high.

    Bernie didn't get the minorities vote in 2016, so he made changes. Those new voters are coming from the latino voters and foreign born citizens in Iowa and Nevada. He got lower income workers and unionist vote with his medicare for all. People keep underestimating the appeal of this policies. No one is in love with their insurance company like the republicans, and news political pundits are pushing, especially those who leans heavy on it.

    Keep underestimating the youth turn out.


    LOLOL. You think the democrats will need a historic turn out to beat Trump? Where is Trump's vast and various
    demographics? Do you think that anger older white male is going to carry the day for him?
    The eligible young voters in this election alone are more than enough to win.

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    Feel the Bern....



    And to moderates and Dems scared of the “socialist” label or that Bernie is too extreme to win, etc etc

    Just remember what we all said about Trump winning the primary and the general. People are done with status quo politicians and empty promises.

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    I think I saw that that graphic isn't real. They've been doing it all primary long, just not with Warren obviously.


    Also wanted to say how much better CNN's coverage has been than MSNBC's. By miles. CNN is in no way good, at all, but MSNBC is on a whole other level. I really can't stand mainstream media, but watching CNN was very tolerable last night...and mostly has been throughout the primary. I've watched more of both the last few weeks than I have in probably a decade combined...no hyperbole. I really did not expect the gap to be so huge. I know I'm seeing them cover something very specific, but still. Yikes.

    I'm thrilled my parents only get CNN now. Never thought I'd say that, but yeah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Obama got the young voters and new voters out, thus the record turn-out, Hillary didn't

    In Iowa, every demographic turn-out was alittle low but the youth voters and first time voters were high.

    Bernie didn't get the minorities vote in 2016, so he made changes. Those new voters are coming from the latino voters and foreign born citizens in Iowa and Nevada. He got lower income workers and unionist vote with his medicare for all. People keep underestimating the appeal of this policies. No one is in love with their insurance company like the republicans, and news political pundits are pushing, especially those who leans heavy on it.

    Keep underestimating the youth turn out.


    LOLOL. You think the democrats will need a historic turn out to beat Trump? Where is Trump's vast and various
    demographics? Do you think that anger older white male is going to carry the day for him?
    Obama had a draw, Bernie doesn't. He doesn't draw the older crowd because they know the ******** that he spews is exactly that.. ********. He won't win with what he has.
    He won't win the rust belt states because of his policies and he needs those to win the presidency.
    Keep overestimating the youth turn out. History says otherwise.
    Don't take my word for it, its what the Dem candidates have said themselves.

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