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  1. #1
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    Are US politics beyond the point of repair?

    And in general, how much trust and faith do you have in democracy in the US now? Politicians have little to no credibility. We've seen institutions be politicized and almost de-legitimized. And lastly, IMO, I'm expecting the results of the general election to be seen as not credible by whoever loses. We just saw it in Iowa to a lesser degree.

    So you have the politicians, institutions and elections all not seen a credible. Pile on top hyperpartisanship, shameful rhetoric, fake news, over-sensationalization, a deeply unreliable media, the terrible side of social media etc.

    How do you even put this back together? Discuss.


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    Yeats said it best:

    “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.”

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    Constitutional Amendment………

    Change Representatives' terms from 2 years to 4 Years with term limits of 12 years.

    Leave Senators terms art 6 years but have term limits also at 12 years.

    Problem fixes.

    While we're at it………Supreme Court limited to 9 judges. Supreme Court Justices must retire at 70 or 20 years of service. President must recommend SC replacements within 30 days of one leaving. The Senate must approve/disapprove a nominee within 30 days after being bing nominated or the president's choice is automatically accepted.

    Require bigger majority for impeachment … say 2/3

    Allow line item vetoes.

    Get rid of Super Delegates.

    Get rid of electoral college.

    Mandatory voting.

    Nationwide voting laws.

    That's al I can come up with on short notice.

    Oh…put the designated hitter in the National League.

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    I dont think us politics is beyond repair, I think theres a lot of good in our system. However I do not at all subscribe to the idea of living in a democracy. I believe democracy here is an illusion. I believe illusions are very key ingredient in american society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Constitutional Amendment………

    Change Representatives' terms from 2 years to 4 Years with term limits of 12 years.

    Leave Senators terms art 6 years but have term limits also at 12 years.

    Problem fixes.

    While we're at it………Supreme Court limited to 9 judges. Supreme Court Justices must retire at 70 or 20 years of service. President must recommend SC replacements within 30 days of one leaving. The Senate must approve/disapprove a nominee within 30 days after being bing nominated or the president's choice is automatically accepted.

    Require bigger majority for impeachment … say 2/3

    Allow line item vetoes.

    Get rid of Super Delegates.

    Get rid of electoral college.

    Mandatory voting.

    Nationwide voting laws.

    That's al I can come up with on short notice.

    Oh…put the designated hitter in the National League.
    Leave the house at 2 years, set the house and senate term limit at 6 years.

    Leave the SC alone.

    Balanced budget amendment.

    Super Delegates are not part of US law.

    Electoral College is good.

    Mandatory voting is terrible.

    National voting control and administration is good.

    One representative for every 50k people as specified in the constitution.

    minimal staff and travel budgets for elected officials ... with the internet they can all stay home and still do their jobs.

    Keep your weak *** DH out of my National League ... the only place real baseball is played anymore.

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    Get the money out of politics ... unfortunately nobody who can vote on such things is at all interested in it, and I don't know how you do it while maintaining freedom of speech.

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    America is dead. Trump put the final nail in the coffin.
    "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

    -JFK


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Get the money out of politics ... unfortunately nobody who can vote on such things is at all interested in it, and I don't know how you do it while maintaining freedom of speech.
    Can't you just minimize it? Like x is the maximum donation any one can make?

    You guys also need to do something about your 4 year election campaigns. President calls one maximum 6 months out or something.


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    Considering we survive the Civil War, I think we will be ok. We are nowhere near the violence level that existed before that war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Can't you just minimize it? Like x is the maximum donation any one can make?

    You guys also need to do something about your 4 year election campaigns. President calls one maximum 6 months out or something.
    That's already been done on the maximum donation.

    The government can't tell an individual what they can or can't do as far as campaigning years or decades in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    And in general, how much trust and faith do you have in democracy in the US now? Politicians have little to no credibility. We've seen institutions be politicized and almost de-legitimized. And lastly, IMO, I'm expecting the results of the general election to be seen as not credible by whoever loses. We just saw it in Iowa to a lesser degree.

    So you have the politicians, institutions and elections all not seen a credible. Pile on top hyperpartisanship, shameful rhetoric, fake news, over-sensationalization, a deeply unreliable media, the terrible side of social media etc.

    How do you even put this back together? Discuss.
    when one side has an entitlement that they simply deserve to win then that is a problem.
    when one side wins the other side says they must have cheated because surely they couldn't have won on their own.

    this is Democrat Keith Ellison in 2018..

    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/38...sing-elections


    Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) is urging Democrats to go to the polls, saying “women are dying” because the left is losing elections.

    The Democratic National Committee vice chairman spoke at a progressive training session on Friday and said the party needs to triumph at the ballot box for the sake of women's health.

    “Women are dying because we are losing elections,” Ellison said. “We don’t have the right to lose a damn election. We have to win. We have to win.”

    entitlement that Democrats think they simply deserve to win. this entitlement is the threat to democracy.
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    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

    a person is smart. people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
    #TrumpDerangementSyndrome
    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    There are 15 states with term limits in their state governments... Are they any more expertly run? Florida is limited to 8 years in house or senate... Did florida suddenly get fixed in 1992?

    Seriously term limits likely just adds inexperience to the list of problems. If people can't vote out bad politicians what the **** good are we?
    Last edited by flips333; 02-11-2020 at 09:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    There are 15 states with term limits in their state governments... Are they any more expertly run? Florida is limited to 8 years in house or senate... Did florida suddenly get fixed in 1992?

    Seriously term limits likely just adds inexperience to the list of problems. If people can't vote out bad politicians what the **** good are we?
    We can't vote in good ones either. Term limits helps us get rid of career politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Considering we survive the Civil War, I think we will be ok. We are nowhere near the violence level that existed before that war.
    I do not think mano-a-mano physical violence will be the way our system is destroyed. I see it collapsing on its own weight because the foundations are not strong enough to support, or flexible enough to address, what is necessary to meet current challenges.

    Things like term limits sound swell but (1) they are not gonna happen any time soon, and (2) they are not going to do squat to address the challenges that are inherent in a representative system in an age of increased technology.
    Last edited by Crovash; 02-12-2020 at 12:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I do not think mano-a-mano physical violence will be the way our system is destroyed. I see it collapsing on its own weight because the foundations are not strong enough to support, or flexible enough to address, what is necessary to meet current challenges.

    I hope I am wrong.
    We've already seen the system decide that extorting a foreign country in an attempt to intervene into our domestic politics was totally coolio. So yea, we don't need to worry about our system being destroyed. It is currently dead and really just rotting away.
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