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  1. #10141
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    Says the guy that doesn't vote, has no idea what's going on politically in the country he resides in, yet gets great pleasure from viewing other country's politics and race relations as entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Says the guy that doesn't vote, has no idea what's going on politically in the country he resides in, yet gets great pleasure from viewing other country's politics and race relations as entertainment.
    I didn't know that Shaun King doesn't vote.

    you should notice that I didn't say anything, I posted a tweet of someone else saying something.

    don't get your panties in a bunch because you don't like what I'm posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Sleepwalking in is all they have to do.

    Sanders would’ve lost, he’s too far left. That’s who the Trump campaign wanted. They know the US isn’t that far left. He would’ve lost the middle. Didn’t you learn from the UK election?

    I liked Kamala but black people don’t because she’s a former prosecutor.

    Booker didn’t get traction. Don’t they call him Corporate Booker anyways?

    Warren is the super woke candidate that everybody can’t stand (being super woke).

    Biden gets the old vote, plus the middle, plus the Never Trump Republicans, plus the black vote.

    If there’s two parties and you want one side to win, who there wins? Easy choice.
    We’ll see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Biden currently has a double digit lead over Trump. Normally, just saying "I'm not the other guy" isn't enough to win an election. This year could be an exception to that. Trump's that bad.
    Do we need to review the 2016 polling trends again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    I'll remind you......Billary had a noticeable lead, I believe, over the Donald in 2016, too....
    And she won the popular vote which is why these national polls mean nothing.

    And most of the big hitting issues occur 1-2 months from Election Day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Do we need to review the 2016 polling trends again?


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    2016 polls were only wrong in the rust belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I didn't know that Shaun King doesn't vote.

    you should notice that I didn't say anything, I posted a tweet of someone else saying something.
    No ****, Sherlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I’m not deluded enough to believe that polling is a guarantee. But I do know that he lacks Hillary’s two biggest attributes that cost her the election: uniquely high disapproval numbers and a vagina.
    Cause she had a vagina is what cost her the election?

    Literally the dumbest political take you've ever had on here.

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    Maybe I'm a pessimist but I think Trump will win again.

    A big part of his base is the white nationalists. The type of people who will see the riots/looting as further evidence that Trump is right to want to "make America white again".

    The fact that governors are allowing the protests despite lockdowns before will serve as "evidence" he can feed people that the governors were all against him and he was right to want to open up sooner.

    Because Biden is such a dud of a candidate himself the ethical warrior Bernie-bros can be easily coaxed into not voting along party lines or just not voting at all.

    I see all that leading to another Trump win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Maybe I'm a pessimist but I think Trump will win again.

    A big part of his base is the white nationalists. The type of people who will see the riots/looting as further evidence that Trump is right to want to "make America white again".

    The fact that governors are allowing the protests despite lockdowns before will serve as "evidence" he can feed people that the governors were all against him and he was right to want to open up sooner.

    Because Biden is such a dud of a candidate himself the ethical warrior Bernie-bros can be easily coaxed into not voting along party lines or just not voting at all.

    I see all that leading to another Trump win.
    I don’t see it because I think some old trump voters will turn on him and vote Biden. I think some white educated women will turn on him and vote Biden, I think more black people will come out to vote and vote Biden.

    I don’t think it will be particularly close as of right now, but their is a long time between now and Election Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakeyFool View Post
    Cause she had a vagina is what cost her the election?

    Literally the dumbest political take you've ever had on here.
    Sexism played a big role in her defeat. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Do we need to review the 2016 polling trends again?


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    You're undervaluing the polling, and for good reason considering what happened in 2016. People are going to be skeptical this cycle, as they should. But the numbers don't lie.

    Here's from weeks BEFORE this disaster:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...political-fate

    Midwesterners were already doubting Trump. Covid could seal his political fate

    Drake Custer is a union man who, along with about 30 of his buddies, had an Old English “K” tattooed on their chests about 15 years ago. It stands for “Keokuk”, a deflated Mississippi River manufacturing town of 10,000 tucked into the south-east corner of Iowa that Washington and Des Moines forgot.

    “We know who we are,” said Custer.

    They make syrup from corn starch, steel wheels and rubber seals at an average wage of $18 per hour. People keep leaving in search of something better – in 1960, the town was 60% bigger. It’s the story of the midwest, decline and depopulation, frustration and anxiety.

    “A lot of voters wanted to believe Trump – that out there in Washington it’s all BS, and that a savvy businessman could straighten it out,” Custer said.

    It’s hard for many to admit that it didn’t work out. A tragic comedy of lawlessness mixed with buffoonery nears its epilogue.

    About 10 of those 30 branded Keokuk men voted for Donald Trump. This year, Custer figures maybe five of them will.

    “The vibe is: a lot of people figured out that the boss isn’t worried about them. My veteran friends, they don’t like what’s going on. They’re looking for leadership in government and the workplace. Really, everybody is.”

    Folks from Milwaukee to Muskegon were having their misgivings before the pandemic shut us down in March. Trade wars with China, Mexico, Canada and Europe knocked the wind out of steel wheels and soybean prices. Workers at John Deere, the huge tractor builder, were getting pink slips in Davenport. Ethanol plants were idled. Farmers in north-west Iowa’s Sioux county, where Trump took 90% of the vote, said last fall they would not vote for him again. The 23 proclaimed they were “fed up” after Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency allowed 31 petroleum refineries to shun ethanol blending requirements. Ethanol comes from corn. Corn is a religious totem in these parts.

    Trump’s approval ratings sank underwater in key midwestern swing states he won: Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. Any number of polls showed Trump and Joe Biden in a dead heat in about a dozen purple states, or with Biden in a comfortable lead. Bluster and blunder were coming home to roost.

    Then the pandemic that Trump ignored hit and the bottom dropped out.

    Corn prices dived 19% since January. Meatpacking plants are exploding with the coronavirus – 60% of the pork plant workers in Perry, Iowa, are infected. The sheriff for Waterloo, Iowa, said he wanted to stomp a boot on Tyson’s plant. The mayor of Sioux Falls argued with the South Dakota governor to shut down a Smithfield pork facility overrun with the virus. About 65% of people polled think folks should stay home and not dine in at the restaurant buffet. Although the Iowa governor allowed churches to reopen, they aren’t taking her up on the offer with Sunday services. They would just as soon wait until we can get some tests done around here. Republican leaders are not in tune with voters.

    The Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat on Biden’s VP shortlist, held forth ably against armed men in the capital lobby and remains far more popular than Trump. In Wisconsin, Democrats were outraged when Republicans forced a primary election involving a key state supreme court race. Voters stood up for democracy, in line for hours braving Covid-19 infection to cast their vote. The Democratic-backed court candidate won. Wisconsin unseated the Republican governor, Scott Walker, in 2018 and elected a gay woman to the US Senate, Democrat Tammy Baldwin, before that. It is the land of La Follette, after all.

    Trump hopes to flip Minnesota in November. He can forget about the land of Hubert H Humphrey if he can’t swing Wisconsin. Iowa is on the pink side of purple but clearly is in play if the Democrats don’t just fly over again as Clinton did. The Iowa Republican senator Joni Ernst has an approval rating near 37% for joining at the cranium with Trump while he routed ag markets. The Democrats doubtless could screw this up, but …

    A reckoning is due for incompetence and neglect. Farmers are disconsolate. Every dairy worker suicide resonates. Hogs are backed up when one of the huge, consolidated slaughterhouses goes down for lack of healthy help. Producers are left to shoot them and bury them. People in nice SUVs line up for free food. It makes everyone nauseous. Everyday people can’t understand why NBA players can get tested but packinghouse workers ordered to keep the pork loins rolling can’t. Rural communities prone to vote Republican live under a cloud of fear that virus from immigrant workers will spread to them – that the health of your neighbor is in fact your health. Immigrants become human, and their treatment is realized as shameful. We’re waking up, all right. When 30 million people can’t get through to the unemployment system, and half of them lose their health insurance by fall, incumbents should cover their flanks.

    Polls show that in the upper midwest, blue urban voters are more motivated to vote than rural red voters by fair margins. Armed people of color escorted an African American legislator into the Michigan capitol last week in response to the white armed men. Talk about stuff getting real. Do you think every African American in Flint is not motivated?

    “The iron is hot,” Custer said. “This is the time to make permanent change.”

    Even while sitting in his basement unheard, Biden is winning the midwest for all Trump’s blather. The genius may think we are suckers, but in Iowa we don’t ruin good corn liquor with Clorox. The gig is up.

    Art Cullen is editor of the Storm Lake Times in north-west Iowa, where he won the Pulitzer prize for editorial writing. He is a Guardian US columnist and author of the book: Storm Lake: Change, Resilience, and Hope in America’s Heartland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Sexism played a big role in her defeat. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
    Yup it did for sure, but she was also horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    Yup it did for sure, but she was also horrible.
    She was a centrist- slight right candidate but most of the takes on her were complete ********, such as Benghazi.

    It was a poorly run campaign.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    are we sure she has one? Bill didn't seem to think so

    it's funny how many people still today seem to think 'oh, the voters just didn't want to vote in a woman'....no, that's not why she lost and I'm not sure she IS one
    I didn't say it was her main problem. But to pretend it wasn't a problem for her would be ridiculous. And you know what. I believe that it was actually more of a problem for women than men. It's not something that often gets talked about but I've heard more women than men say that they just don't know if a woman is capable to hold the job.
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