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  1. #6451
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Every probably should just ignore this long post coming up...

    This is probably a poor way to explain it to the masses of PSD, but this has been my thesis for a while:

    Bernie is the Eugene Debs to Elizabeth Warren's Louis Brandeis.

    Debs was the standard bears of the Socialist Party of America. He was an activist, an organizer and a trade unionist. He believed that capitalism had concentrated the wealth and power in this country and the solution was a "cooperative commonwealth", as he called it, where industry was democratically controlled and workers received the full fruits of their labor. It was actual solidarity, not competition that mattered. Strip the power through from the employer class by organizing, striking and above all else class unity. Not regulation. Not policies. But a movement.

    Brandeis was the progressive SCOTUS judge appointed by Woodrow Wilson. He was a social justice crusader who fought for all sorts of progressive causes like busting railroad monopolies, defending labor and work laws and calling out corruption everywhere he saw it. He targeted large corporations and finance as inequality soared. But he was no radical. Debs was the radical. He was a defender of capitalism. He believed that the path forward was via government and enforcing the law of competition. He did little organizing and toed the party line.

    Debs built a movement based on revolution. He would call out and oppose anyone who fought against the ideals that both Warren and Sanders largely believe. But Warren believes in benevolent capitalism. That the markets work, the rules just need to be fairer. Sanders doesn’t think the system is merely off kilter. He thinks the system is the problem.

    During the golden years of capitalism where we had strong unions, high top marginal income tax rates and inequality was at it's low, Warren would see this as rules-based capitalism working as it should, and Sanders views it as a time where we were moving towards socialism after years of class struggle, before major capitalist backlash intervened and toppled it. Because they could. The Neoliberalism of the last 50 years took foot and the rest is history. There was no stopping it. The working class was destroyed and inequality skyrocketed. Nothing Brandeis did could stop it.

    I can keep going...I think there's a lot to unpack about what happened after. But who cares?



    That's all!
    I think Bernie learned from Debs later in life and adjusted his message. 20 years ago Bernie was left of socialist and a revolutionary now he's still espousing a revolution like Debs but he's toned it WAY down to make it maybe appeal enough to get him in.

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    Bloomberg starting to rack up the endorsements. If this egotistical elitist prick buys the nomination, I'm done with politics. The Dems endorsing him, especially black Dems, should be ashamed and embarrassed. Just because they can't stand Bernie. They can go to hell!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Bloomberg starting to rack up the endorsements. If this egotistical elitist prick buys the nomination, I'm done with politics. The Dems endorsing him, especially black Dems, should be ashamed and embarrassed. Just because they can't stand Bernie. They can go to hell!
    I think they are hedging their bets on ensuring that Trump doesn't get re-elected. Biden seemed like the right pick for the same reason to them. I'd suggest they galvanize behind Amy if they want to have the most effective voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I think they are hedging their bets on ensuring that Trump doesn't get re-elected. Biden seemed like the right pick for the same reason to them. I'd suggest they galvanize behind Amy if they want to have the most effective voice.
    As Sanders polls better against Trump than Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Warren, this excuse can not be used anymore. This is all about the DNC becoming terrified of their corporate donors drying up. More and more I’m becoming convinced that the “Bernie Bro”s are more in touch with reality than the rest of the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    As Sanders polls better against Trump than Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Warren, this excuse can not be used anymore. This is all about the DNC becoming terrified of their corporate donors drying up. More and more I’m becoming convinced that the “Bernie Bro”s are more in touch with reality than the rest of the party.
    Polls don't matter to everyone and are certainly open to a thousand different levels of interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Polls don't matter to everyone and are certainly open to a thousand different levels of interpretation.
    What about money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Bloomberg starting to rack up the endorsements. If this egotistical elitist prick buys the nomination, I'm done with politics. The Dems endorsing him, especially black Dems, should be ashamed and embarrassed. Just because they can't stand Bernie. They can go to hell!
    Bloomberg and the rest of the field have a long way to catch Bernie's union endorsements. He is roughly 4 to everyone they got together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    What about money?
    Money matters to just about everyone. But I'm not sure what this means in the context of what we were discussing. Walter said that people should be supporting Bernie because the polls say he has a better chance of beating Trump. This is not something that I dispute but other people are clearly weighing things differently and feel that Bloomberg has a better chance. I can't say those people wrong. The people that think that way do not place the same stock in polls as Walter or others. That was my point.

    Are you saying that Bloomberg is paying people to vote for him? I don't think so but I really don't know what point you are making and want to understand it better.
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    Why do so many democrat candidates have troublesome black relationship problems in their past? Buttigieg, Klobuchar and especially Bloomberg? All connected to the criminal justice system. If any of them go up against Trump, he will probably depress the minorities vote by attacking their past deeds. Hell, it is depressing to me now. I don't want more of the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Bloomberg starting to rack up the endorsements. If this egotistical elitist prick buys the nomination, I'm done with politics. The Dems endorsing him, especially black Dems, should be ashamed and embarrassed. Just because they can't stand Bernie. They can go to hell!
    Go Bloomberg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Go Bloomberg!
    Yes you're exactly the type of person I would expect to go for Bloomberg -- someone with no convictions.
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    I can't wait until Mayor Twink's puppetmasters rig the primary for him. When the Berniebros complain the media will call them 'bigoted homophobes.' You really hate to see it. Personally I think ManRam must answer for the Matthew Shepard tragedy - I have never heard ManRam disavow that incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    As Sanders polls better against Trump than Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Warren, this excuse can not be used anymore. This is all about the DNC becoming terrified of their corporate donors drying up. More and more I’m becoming convinced that the “Bernie Bro”s are more in touch with reality than the rest of the party.

    The DNC doesn’t want a socialist winning the nomination.

    Bloomberg vs Trump would be good TV
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    The DNC doesn’t want a socialist winning the nomination.

    Bloomberg vs Trump would be good TV
    Oh, Hell to the f no. Those two old billionaire geezers are already trading insults like a couple of pre-puberty snippy little girls.
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    I’d more impressed with good governance than TV.


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