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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Val Demings as a VP maybe? Progressive woman of color from swing state. Hate to play the identity politics game but whatever works.
    She did do a good job during the Impeachment hearings. And they can't play any of the "party of law and order" ****. She was the police chief in Orlando.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Can I get whatever it is you're smoking every day?


    But, I'll drag this back towards seriousness...

    I think the Warren ship has sailed.

    I hope he picks Sara Nelson, but that's a little bit out of left field. I think Tammy Baldwin would work. Barbara Lee too.

    I thinking he might be forced to take a moderate at the convention to balance his democrat-socialist label. Great for unifying the party, bad to have a possible snake on your ticket. Barbara Lee would be great especially as insurance to support the cause if Bernie suffers age-related health problems, but she has as many enemies in the moderate camp as Bernie. Tulsi for the same reason as Lee, but she has a republican following. Bernie has stated he is looking for a woman running mate, if he can get two for one who follows his policies. cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Every probably should just ignore this long post coming up...

    This is probably a poor way to explain it to the masses of PSD, but this has been my thesis for a while:

    Bernie is the Eugene Debs to Elizabeth Warren's Louis Brandeis.

    Debs was the standard bears of the Socialist Party of America. He was an activist, an organizer and a trade unionist. He believed that capitalism had concentrated the wealth and power in this country and the solution was a "cooperative commonwealth", as he called it, where industry was democratically controlled and workers received the full fruits of their labor. It was actual solidarity, not competition that mattered. Strip the power through from the employer class by organizing, striking and above all else class unity. Not regulation. Not policies. But a movement.

    Brandeis was the progressive SCOTUS judge appointed by Woodrow Wilson. He was a social justice crusader who fought for all sorts of progressive causes like busting railroad monopolies, defending labor and work laws and calling out corruption everywhere he saw it. He targeted large corporations and finance as inequality soared. But he was no radical. Debs was the radical. He was a defender of capitalism. He believed that the path forward was via government and enforcing the law of competition. He did little organizing and toed the party line.

    Debs built a movement based on revolution. He would call out and oppose anyone who fought against the ideals that both Warren and Sanders largely believe. But Warren believes in benevolent capitalism. That the markets work, the rules just need to be fairer. Sanders doesnít think the system is merely off kilter. He thinks the system is the problem.

    During the golden years of capitalism where we had strong unions, high top marginal income tax rates and inequality was at it's low, Warren would see this as rules-based capitalism working as it should, and Sanders views it as a time where we were moving towards socialism after years of class struggle, before major capitalist backlash intervened and toppled it. Because they could. The Neoliberalism of the last 50 years took foot and the rest is history. There was no stopping it. The working class was destroyed and inequality skyrocketed. Nothing Brandeis did could stop it.

    I can keep going...I think there's a lot to unpack about what happened after. But who cares?



    That's all!
    Keep posting these historical references. I am sure there are some history geeks here like myself. Plus, its highlights how long this struggle between capitalists and socialist have been going on. Secondly, it helps us understand the roles our politicians are playing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Every probably should just ignore this long post coming up...

    This is probably a poor way to explain it to the masses of PSD, but this has been my thesis for a while:

    Bernie is the Eugene Debs to Elizabeth Warren's Louis Brandeis.

    Debs was the standard bears of the Socialist Party of America. He was an activist, an organizer and a trade unionist. He believed that capitalism had concentrated the wealth and power in this country and the solution was a "cooperative commonwealth", as he called it, where industry was democratically controlled and workers received the full fruits of their labor. It was actual solidarity, not competition that mattered. Strip the power through from the employer class by organizing, striking and above all else class unity. Not regulation. Not policies. But a movement.

    Brandeis was the progressive SCOTUS judge appointed by Woodrow Wilson. He was a social justice crusader who fought for all sorts of progressive causes like busting railroad monopolies, defending labor and work laws and calling out corruption everywhere he saw it. He targeted large corporations and finance as inequality soared. But he was no radical. Debs was the radical. He was a defender of capitalism. He believed that the path forward was via government and enforcing the law of competition. He did little organizing and toed the party line.

    Debs built a movement based on revolution. He would call out and oppose anyone who fought against the ideals that both Warren and Sanders largely believe. But Warren believes in benevolent capitalism. That the markets work, the rules just need to be fairer. Sanders doesnít think the system is merely off kilter. He thinks the system is the problem.

    During the golden years of capitalism where we had strong unions, high top marginal income tax rates and inequality was at it's low, Warren would see this as rules-based capitalism working as it should, and Sanders views it as a time where we were moving towards socialism after years of class struggle, before major capitalist backlash intervened and toppled it. Because they could. The Neoliberalism of the last 50 years took foot and the rest is history. There was no stopping it. The working class was destroyed and inequality skyrocketed. Nothing Brandeis did could stop it.

    I can keep going...I think there's a lot to unpack about what happened after. But who cares?



    That's all!
    I also enjoyed reading this.

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    That is it. Manram is our PSD Political History contributor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'd be concerned with Bernie's running mate if he gets the nomination.

    If he picks Hilly, start a pool, he's as good as dead.
    Show how much you don't understand the dynamics that are occurring in the democrat party to even suggest this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sofnr View Post
    I also enjoyed reading this.
    As did I.

    Thanks for the history lesson, ManRam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Val Demings as a VP maybe? Progressive woman of color from swing state. Hate to play the identity politics game but whatever works.
    I have a feeling Bernie has somebody in mind, particularly a woman. I also have a feeling that itís going to be either a minority man, a woman, or a woman of color. Heís quoted to saying he plans on having a cabinet thatís more representative of what America looks like and I feel itís gonna be a lot of people from different backgrounds.

    VP if I had to put money on it though, would be a woman of color. Gotta do more research before I say who.


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    Regarding Trump's turnout, worth noting that Trump's basically been campaigning non stop since he was elected. None of the past 3 presidents had even begun their re-election campaign by this juncture.
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    I wonder if Stacey Abrams would be a good fit. I know sheís been floated as a top pick for Biden but she is extremely bright and hard working and brought Georgia to the point where the GOP needed to be the Secretary of State in the state to pull people off the rolls left and right to beat her. Georgia has two Senate races and bringing national focus on that could help the Democrats pick up one or both of those seats with the right candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    That is it. Manram is our PSD Political History contributor.
    I prefer his takes on popular music


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    The 2020 Presidential Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    I have a feeling Bernie has somebody in mind, particularly a woman. I also have a feeling that itís going to be either a minority man, a woman, or a woman of color. Heís quoted to saying he plans on having a cabinet thatís more representative of what America looks like and I feel itís gonna be a lot of people from different backgrounds.

    VP if I had to put money on it though, would be a woman of color. Gotta do more research before I say who.


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    I think itís going to be Carl Weathers. Ron Perlman would also be a good choice


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    I think itís going to be Carl Weathers. Ron Perlman would also be a good choice


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    I heard a rumour it was going to be Reginald VelJohnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    I think itís going to be Carl Weathers. Ron Perlman would also be a good choice


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    I donít know why but I thought Ron Burgundy when you said Perlman and I had a chuckle.

    Will Ferrell as VP would be iconic.
    If Trump can become president with no political background then I don't understand why I need a resumť

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    No, I want Will Ferrell to play Trump in the first movie about that Bum.

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