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  1. #14476
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    One can dig a hole too deep to get out of and that where we will be if Trump continues. Some of his blunders in foreign policies will take decades to overcome. Our farmers lost their main customer, China, to South America. Our erratic leadership has driven the Philipines and Indio-China deeper into China's sphere of influence. We have shaken our allies, in NATO, confidence in us, and now they are fighting among themselves, Greece and Turkey, for an instant.

    A second Biden term and a Harris presidency aren't ensured.

    1. Biden will win not because of some great admiration for him but for the intensity of the hate for Trump. So he won't have the enormous goodwill that Reagan and Obama had, in fact, a lot of people are holding their nose while voting for him. If the old Biden shows up he will lose that support and any future chances for a second term, because more and more people want change. They were disappointed in Obama and outrage (for some republicans like Site) at Trump for not bringing the changes they promise. Draining the swamp or taxing the rich more, not the silly stuff like wall building.

    2. We both agree that Biden is crap, he is the same old, same old. I hope that I am not wrong about this, but he will face a more rabid progressive wing that will seek to combat his neo-liberal tendencies and an economical and pandemic battled public who will have no patience for more of the same attitude from our leaders. Tough times make people more desperate for change.
    I don't have much issue with Trump's foreign policy blunders. I'm glad China is being treated as an enemy. The issues in Greece and the Philippines are the same ... China's influence. I don't know how to fight it without fighting it publicly.

    1. Yes, and how is that going to be good for the party? Biden being bad just assures the next president will come from the other side of the aisle from a re-grouped GOP.

    2. Yes, but they are already preparing to blame it all on Trump and the SCOTUS while continuing to screw the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Reminds me of the song that starts with "Beautiful dreamers dreaming their dreams."

    If you want to gauge Black acceptance of a candidate just watch how they react towards well know black figures who support them. Blacks can't stand Candice Owens or talk about Kanye's bi-polar condition (that n***er is crazy comments). Whether it is right or wrong, a black leader would be considered an Uncle Tom, a kiss of death to their career within the community, if he cozying up to a known racist. It is their third rail within that group. Oh, they can make money and a powerless political position within the republican sphere, but to be used to get support for the party, no they have no weight with voting blacks.

    The casinos make a massive amount of money off people who work on the "it could happen" mentality.
    Is Trump going to get more of the black vote than recent repub candidates…… yes or no.

    Blacks can't stand Candice Owens???……… because she is successful and doesn't walk around spieling the party line??? What don't they like about her exactly.

    What do blacks think of Kimberly Klacik in Baltimore or the black guy running against Wacky Maxine??? Are they OK???

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Reminds me of the song that starts with "Beautiful dreamers dreaming their dreams."

    If you want to gauge Black acceptance of a candidate just watch how they react towards well know black figures who support them. Blacks can't stand Candice Owens or talk about Kanye's bi-polar condition (that n***er is crazy comments). Whether it is right or wrong, a black leader would be considered an Uncle Tom, a kiss of death to their career within the community, if he cozying up to a known racist. It is their third rail within that group. Oh, they can make money and a powerless political position within the republican sphere, but to be used to get support for the party, no they have no weight with voting blacks.

    The casinos make a massive amount of money off people who work on the "it could happen" mentality.
    This position is reminiscent of Biden saying "you ain't black". Black people are not a single unit. More and more of them are questioning what the Democratic party are doing for them and how much they are ignoring them. And people who are frustrated are more likely to just do something new in the hope that the result will be different than it has been.

    Votes are private, polls are not. That is a major reason polls are inaccurate around this sorts of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Just from a black viewpoint, I don't need a leader to empower those who want a race war or embolden some kid to travel across states with a weapon to marshall blacks in their communities and shot protesters. Then hold him up as a victim or a hero. That may be a small thing for some, but that is a bright whatthe**** is happening sign to me. Trump must go, no more digging holes we can't get out of.
    That I support, my only issue with that general perception is that that message is spread a lot farther and a lot louder by the left than by Trump and the right. It may start with Trump and the right, but the marketing budget is all on the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Is Trump going to get more of the black vote than recent repub candidates…… yes or no.

    Blacks can't stand Candice Owens???……… because she is successful and doesn't walk around spieling the party line??? What don't they like about her exactly.

    What do blacks think of Kimberly Klacik in Baltimore or the black guy running against Wacky Maxine??? Are they OK???
    I think we are told that they are uncle toms selling out their people. The guy against Maxine seems like a really reasonable guy, and with people like her you have to run as Republican to have a chance to win since there is never going to be support from the party against one of the insiders.

    We REALLY need term limits to get rid of so many congress members regardless of party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Trump's divisiveness is largely fueled by the left focusing and promoting it as long and as hard as is possible. Had his stupid and insensitive comments been noted and left behind he'd have been far less divisive. To some considerable extent it's a self inflicted wound we did to ourselves.
    Trump's behavior is the left's fault. Imagine my shock that this is your opinion on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I don't have much issue with Trump's foreign policy blunders. I'm glad China is being treated as an enemy. The issues in Greece and the Philippines are the same ... China's influence. I don't know how to fight it without fighting it publicly.

    1. Yes, and how is that going to be good for the party? Biden being bad just assures the next president will come from the other side of the aisle from a re-grouped GOP.

    2. Yes, but they are already preparing to blame it all on Trump and the SCOTUS while continuing to screw the public.
    Confronting China should be universally praised. They've been bending over everyone, not just the US, for decades. It's just too bad he didn't gather the rest of the world to **** on China at the same time. It would have had more of a chance of having an impact. Instead it'll just embolden China to not cowtail to the US.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Damn, biden got some heavy odds huh.

    I do think he should be favored, but -190, damn. I dont think hes that clear a favorite, just slight.

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    Same. I'm no political expert but I see it as a coin flip. With these odds, all our big mouth Trump fan boiz should absolutely be putting their money where their mouth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    So, I was saying a while ago that it may be better for the country in the long run if Trump won because if Biden wins he's going to run a horrible administration that is going to be pro-corporate, pro-military, pro-china nightmare that will say the "right" things but do nothing for the people. They have already been setting this up with what they have been saying with "the cupboard is bare" and that taxes and corporate regulations are not going to change. Health care, filibuster, even the minimum wage will not change. They will blame all they can on the Supreme court and sell us that they are fighting for us. And they will be saddled with the Corona economy to be blamed on the Dems for the next election and my concern that the next Prez will likely then be a Republican and could be much worse and more empowered, more entrenched, and more capable than Trump ever was.

    Guess what? Bernie apparently agrees with me because he said it!
    Providing a link to said statement would make some sense. In the meantime, want a cookie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Trump's behavior is the left's fault. Imagine my shock that this is your opinion on the matter.
    Both sides, bruh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post

    But I'm not sure where the divisiveness really comes from

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    lol, sluggo the genius with another genius musing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbang View Post
    How destructive he could be? Give me a break.

    If you don't want destructive don't vote for the party that will get us back on foreign oil, go back into the middle east, raise taxes, and offer free healthcare to migrants while not policing the border.
    Or...dont vote for the racists.

    I guess either way works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Trump's behavior is the left's fault. Imagine my shock that this is your opinion on the matter.
    lmaooo

    I thought the same, but I just let it go.. [emoji23]

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Confronting China should be universally praised. They've been bending over everyone, not just the US, for decades. It's just too bad he didn't gather the rest of the world to **** on China at the same time. It would have had more of a chance of having an impact. Instead it'll just embolden China to not cowtail to the US.
    He had a golden opportunity with this virus. If his negotiating skills were worth a **** he could have taken advantage earlier this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Same. I'm no political expert but I see it as a coin flip. With these odds, all our big mouth Trump fan boiz should absolutely be putting their money where their mouth is.
    I'm sure dbroncmo got $15k on it somewhere...

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