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  1. #3811
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Democracy Now! is a propaganda outlet, The Hill is left leaning but pretty good overall news agency, Humanist Report Sucks.
    Kim Iversen is fantastic, though her opinion on China's foreign investments is totally uninformed, and her opinions on Venezuela are to conspiratorial and completely ignore how incompetent that country is. Otherwise I love her stuff.

    TYT is absolute garbage. Complete trash.
    And the epoch times is rather centrist. Hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    That's because those Nordic countries are just high tax welfare states that still practice free market capitalism, which you don't have in socialist countries...like Venazuela.
    I know this, you know this, Bernie has made it clear this is the type of socialism he wants.

    All the more reason to use the Nordic countries as an example of the type of system that Bernie is trying to copy not Venezuela as FOX is pushing. Is FOX being fair to Bernie? To their viewers?

    Everybody on the left and those who are fair acknowledges this, FOX and Trump don't. Why do they do this? To scare their base off Bernie.

    Notice the Nordic are quite happy with their system and aren't seeking to come here. Oh, they and the Europeans don't call it welfare as you call their state. They believe it's their and their fellow citizens right to not go into catastrophe debt if they or their loved one gets sick. Or even more important, be deny life-saving medicine or procedures because they are poor.

    The wording is very important in encouraging or discouraging people from an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    And the epoch times is rather centrist. Hehehe
    The Epoch Times is a garbage publication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I know this, you know this, Bernie has made it clear this is the type of socialism he wants.

    All the more reason to use the Nordic countries as an example of the type of system that Bernie is trying to copy not Venezuela as FOX is pushing. Is FOX being fair to Bernie? To their viewers?

    Everybody on the left and those who are fair acknowledges this, FOX and Trump don't. Why do they do this? To scare their base off Bernie.

    Notice the Nordic are quite happy with their system and aren't seeking to come here. Oh, they and the Europeans don't call it welfare as you call their state. They believe it's their and their fellow citizens right to not go into catastrophe debt if they or their loved one gets sick. Or even more important, be deny life-saving medicine or procedures because they are poor.

    The wording is very important in encouraging or discouraging people from an idea.
    Then that's not socialism.


    Welfare isn't a slur it's a descriptor. That's what it is, if you prefer "social safety net" sure w/e but it seems like were arguing the pronunciation of Potato or Tomato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    And the epoch times is rather centrist. Hehehe
    It is rather centrist, it leans a little to the right, and does admit to having an incredibly strong bias against Communism, in particular the Chinese Communist Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Then that's not socialism.


    Welfare isn't a slur it's a descriptor. That's what it is, if you prefer "social safety net" sure w/e but it seems like were arguing the pronunciation of Potato or Tomato.
    I can find opinions more educated and influential than either of us who disagrees whole-heartily with your opening statement.

    I think we all forget how extreme right our government can be here in comparison to the European, so their views on social programs are quite different from ours. I don't think they have a party like our republican party with it's strong religious, anti-socialist, big business-oriented views. They consider us very repressive.

    Obama, Clintons, with their big business leaning and Warhawk views, would be firmly entrenched in their far-right conservative party were some here (from their political orientation) call them liberals, even leftist.

    Not so much pronunciation, but where one viewpoint is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Democracy Now! is a propaganda outlet, The Hill is left leaning but pretty good overall news agency, Humanist Report Sucks.
    Kim Iversen is fantastic, though her opinion on China's foreign investments is totally uninformed, and her opinions on Venezuela are to conspiratorial and completely ignore how incompetent that country is. Otherwise I love her stuff.

    TYT is absolute garbage. Complete trash.
    I think you just want to laid Kim Iversen, I don't see her views lining up with yours. She proclaims herself as a die-hard progressive and is more left-leaning then Krystal Ball on the Hill's podcast. She lines up more closely to the Humanist Report that you rate as a suck.

    She likes and admire Bernie, question Warren's progressiveness and support Tusli and thinks the DNC did her wrong not having her on the debates. Thinks lowly of Biden. Anything in there you love?
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    Man, what has happen to Bill Maher? He is actually backing and thinking that Amy kloubuchar can unite the democrats and beat Trump in 2020. A nice little centrists from Minnesota. What is her poll numbers, .000001?

    Pass the damn joint Bill, you had enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I can find opinions more educated and influential than either of us who disagrees whole-heartily with your opening statement.

    I think we all forget how extreme right our government can be here in comparison to the European, so their views on social programs are quite different from ours. I don't think they have a party like our republican party with it's strong religious, anti-socialist, big business-oriented views. They consider us very repressive.

    Obama, Clintons, with their big business leaning and Warhawk views, would be firmly entrenched in their far-right conservative party were some here (from their political orientation) call them liberals, even leftist.

    Not so much pronunciation, but where one viewpoint is.
    Where in Europe, I would say Poland has a pretty far right political class in power right now. Estonia is pretty damn libertarian and has been since it's freedom from the USSR, now in a country like Denmark, they're furtherest right (major party) is equivalent to the Clinton Democrats.
    You can't talk about entire continents in such absolutest terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Where in Europe, I would say Poland has a pretty far right political class in power right now. Estonia is pretty damn libertarian and has been since it's freedom from the USSR, now in a country like Denmark, they're furtherest right (major party) is equivalent to the Clinton Democrats.
    You can't talk about entire continents in such absolutest terms.
    Sure you can. They are all smelly Euros


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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I think you just want to laid Kim Iversen, I don't see her views lining up with yours. She proclaims herself as a die-hard progressive and is more left-leaning then Krystal Ball on the Hill's podcast. She lines up more closely to the Humanist Report that you rate as a suck.

    She likes and admire Bernie, question Warren's progressiveness and support Tusli and thinks the DNC did her wrong not having her on the debates. Thinks lowly of Biden. Anything in there you love?
    I've watched hours of her content, and many of her interviews.

    She's also Anti-War, Pro-Free Speech, has spoken out against cancel culture, Defended the CovCath kids, called out the left on it's double standards in regards to the way they covered the Christ Church Shooting, Compared to the Easter bombing. She's for roping in big tech, and while she acknowledges the countries bigotry in the past disagree's with Cancel Culture, and spoke out against those who were trying to cancel Tucker Carlson over inappropriate comments he made on "Bubba the Love Sponge" 15 years ago, because while she dislikes Tucker Carlson an ENORMOUS amount, she is against retroactive outrage. Also, like J.Doer and Kulinski she never supported the Russia Hoax.

    She's also not very gun grabby. I like her take on immigration in that we need to focus on getting businesses to verify that they're employees are eligible to work here, and instead of punishing the migrants, hammering the businesses, (though I would say any migrant who is using stolen SS info needs to be prosecuted for Identity Theft.

    I like her for basically all the same reason's I like Tulsi more or less.

    I'm happy to watch people I disagree with. I think everyone should, if you want some solid RW news to consume, I would say the Federalist or National Review if you want the high brow ****. Or Daily Wire if you don't mind a little less polish. And Obviously I think the Epoch times does a really good job especially on their Asian Coverage. To get a different perspective on news and politics. I would say I consume much more left wing media than right wing media. It's the moralizing ideologues I can't stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I think you just want to laid Kim Iversen,
    Also, how dare you you accuse me of having a hard on for her sweet jugs.

    I've never been more insulted in all my life. That you would suspect me of doing this....
    https://youtu.be/A9Mu--_cHw8

    That's preposterous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Where in Europe, I would say Poland has a pretty far right political class in power right now. Estonia is pretty damn libertarian and has been since it's freedom from the USSR, now in a country like Denmark, they're furtherest right (major party) is equivalent to the Clinton Democrats.
    You can't talk about entire continents in such absolutest terms.
    My bad, no I can't be absolute. Who can be or should be expected to speak in the absolute? I am sorry you got that impression.

    Would you agree that right now, our republican party has a strong anti-socialism, religious, and big business influence? Which effect national policies?

    In the major European (the economical center of Europe) countries, Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Netherland. can you find me a major political party who have those influences working together? And powerful enough to influence their national policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    Also, how dare you you accuse me of having a hard on for her sweet jugs.

    I've never been more insulted in all my life. That you would suspect me of doing this....
    https://youtu.be/A9Mu--_cHw8

    That's preposterous.
    lol, love that south park episode as well.

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    I would say Trump supporters are pretty unanimous on hating what the Europeans are doing right now. Personally, I don't like Trump's character but LOVE that his policies vary greatly from what the EU is doing. They've gone full ****** with social justice and mass immigration. The money will run out.
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