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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    The fact that an act had to be passed and it was seriously discussed is, in and of itself, abhorrent.

    NY has and VA has tried to loosen up on late term abortions…to the cheering women in the gallery.

    I find this disturbing.
    Yes Virginia had the audacity to make it so you don't have to go to three separate doctors to get approval for a life saving procedure. They really are the ****ing worst in the world. Y'all ain't pro-life, you're pro-birth. Own it and be honest with yourself and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Yes Virginia had the audacity to make it so you don't have to go to three separate doctors to get approval for a life saving procedure. They really are the ****ing worst in the world. Y'all ain't pro-life, you're pro-birth. Own it and be honest with yourself and others.
    He really does come off as the most anti-abortion pro-abortion person I've ever met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    He really does come off as the most anti-abortion pro-abortion person I've ever met.
    Who said he is pro-abortion? I haven't seen even one whiff of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Yes Virginia had the audacity to make it so you don't have to go to three separate doctors to get approval for a life saving procedure. They really are the ****ing worst in the world. Y'all ain't pro-life, you're pro-birth. Own it and be honest with yourself and others.
    Our lives would be so much easier if Sluggo and FNK just cut to the chase and said what they believe up front.

    I feel like a lot of these conversations play out kind of like every Trump scandal. Goes from "it never happened" to "yeah, maybe I met with them but it wasn't like what you thought" to "it did happen but it's actually OK that it happened". Like, why not just start there? Save us the time! Feels like half the long-term discussions we have here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Fair enough and I will try to clarify.

    Family

    I see family as the foundation of any civilized, well formed and well run society. All else emanates from these foundations. Social stability thrives on this foundation. All problems are mitigated by having a strong family unit. The strong work ethic comes from family units, as does a sensible outlook towards education. Strong family units create well adjusted young people with a sense of ethics, fairness and integrity. Also far less poverty.

    Do you know anyone from a single parent household … everyone knows families like this. Multiple families like this. Many of today's males should feel humiliated as to how they take their responsibiities. Women should wonder how they could be so dumb as to get themselves into losing family situations.

    I am not saying that single family households cannot thrive. Some do.Some of the women that runn these housholds and succeed are amazing. Even inspirational. I am saying that it is much easier to get by with two parents in the house. And we take a very lackadaisical approach to the old nuclear family. It's is even made fun of in some cases.

    Abortion

    I would not make it illegal. However if it became illegal that would not upset me (not going to happen)

    I can live with abortion in the first trimester. I admit to not knowing when life begins but I do not believe a fetus can exist on its own during this period. Maybe it can. I don't believe it to be true. I do believe that an unwanted child can ruin the life of both the adult and that child if it is brought to term. Many women are ill prepared emotionally and financially to have a child and terminating that child in the first trimester is, in my opinion, the better thing to do.

    It is wrong after that. It is certainly wrong in the third trimester. Partial birth abortion is clearly murder as is allowing a child to die shortly after birth. How this can be tolerated in a civilized society is beyond me. How anyone could support this is inexplicable.

    Abortion in the US has become a national stain on our society. I wonder what other countries must think of our abortion rate. It is way too casual…many people don't give it a second thought. Supposedly, more blacks are aborted than born…think about that for a minute. How can anyone be comfortable with that???

    I'd would support sex education, free condoms, free birth control pills, free abortions up to the first trimester. However the casualness with which we accept where we are is disturbing. It is also disturbing how this issue rules and decides many elections and how nutty some women get over this issue (pounding on the Supreme Court door after Kavanaugh !!! really???)

    Hope I provided some clarification.
    Thanks Sluggo. I feel like some of your statements on abortion maybe dubious. I'm not sure so I'll only respond to the first part. You said in the first post you would be wary of liberal policies towards families. I think everyone agrees that 2 parents are generally better then one but what are "liberal family policies"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Who said he is pro-abortion? I haven't seen even one whiff of that.
    He did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Have they done ANYTHING to dispel the fact that they are deplorable? They tend to wrap themselves in the cloak of religion but stand by a man who has violated just about every fundamental tenant of their faith. They pimp out their religion as a means of controlling other people who are different than them.
    As I got older I learned the very stark difference between republican politicans and republican citizens.

    Sure, I’ve been called racist names and told to go join Al Qaeda by republican citizens but I’ve also met a few people who voted for Trump because they saw Hillary as a ‘liberal elitist’

    Granted I don’t know why they thought Trump was any better but fact is, people don’t like being insulted. It’s that simple. It’s why Jimmy Carter lost to Regan lol.
    If Trump can become president with no political background then I don't understand why I need a resumé

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Thanks Sluggo. I feel like some of your statements on abortion maybe dubious. I'm not sure so I'll only respond to the first part. You said in the first post you would be wary of liberal policies towards families. I think everyone agrees that 2 parents are generally better then one but are "liberal family policies"?

    I'm also interested in the "liberal family policies" thing. I've been thinking a lot about all the issues that conservatives who have chosen to embrace Trump won't be able to pretend to have the moral high ground on any more after Trump. Like, not just hypocrisy, but like...we should just laugh at them when they switch around again.

    "Family values" was one of the more obvious ones. "The Party of Family Values" grew in the 70s, pushed by the Christian Right. It always felt transparently merely about a fear of homosexuality, porn and irreligion and less so a concern about the well-being of Americans as a whole, but either way that mantra stuck for a long time and has been touted for even most of my lifetime.

    I feel like the charade is completely up -- RIP to the party of family values -- but I am curious to see what he says. Sluggo at least takes the time to say what he's thinking and respond to questions rather than dodge them. As someone who is also way too long-winded on this website I appreciate that.
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    https://www.facebook.com/10000045998...823702813/?d=n


    What a ****ing legend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I never got into Maher, even when I was a weird Christopher Hitchens/Sam Harris fanboy neolib who thought my atheism was a personality trait. I remember when I got HBO with my roommates in college and the only thing I was excited for was Real Time. I watched it for a couple weeks and that was about all I could take. Just never thought he was terribly funny or really saying anything politically interesting. John Oliver is 100x the political comedian Maher is and even him I don't really care for much any more (loved The Bugle back in the day)
    Agree John Oliver is a way better humorist then Maher who I still enjoy occasionally. I guess looking back, Maher was a damn good liberal attack dog during George W.'s administration much like Keith Olbermann at that time. I enjoyed John Stewart more as well especially when he attacked the news coverage of shows on CNN, MSNBC and the planned out verbal wrestling show Crossfire. Some things people outgrow or just moved on from. Maher hasn't aged well with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    As I got older I learned the very stark difference between republican politicans and republican citizens.

    Sure, I’ve been called racist names and told to go join Al Qaeda by republican citizens but I’ve also met a few people who voted for Trump because they saw Hillary as a ‘liberal elitist’

    Granted I don’t know why they thought Trump was any better but fact is, people don’t like being insulted. It’s that simple. It’s why Jimmy Carter lost to Regan lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Our lives would be so much easier if Sluggo and FNK just cut to the chase and said what they believe up front.

    I feel like a lot of these conversations play out kind of like every Trump scandal. Goes from "it never happened" to "yeah, maybe I met with them but it wasn't like what you thought" to "it did happen but it's actually OK that it happened". Like, why not just start there? Save us the time! Feels like half the long-term discussions we have here.
    I don't know how I could possibly be any more clear than I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Not so sure. Seems like you hear about them.
    Then the police should hear about it because it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Who said he is pro-abortion? I haven't seen even one whiff of that.
    I clearly said (and have said so ad infinitum [that means a lot]) that I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    It would be nice if these women could figure things out by the first trimester.

    I believe that position (the first trimester) is reasonable and would meet almost all situations. The vast majority of people, men and women, would accept this. It may even be called (dare I say it) a compromise.

    To clarify for some of you………

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.

    I am pro choice without reservation during the first trimester. After that, not so much.


    Is there anyone here who does not get it????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Ba da boom, ba d bing!!!!


    Ding, ding, ding!!!!!!


    Hammer hits nail.
    LMAO.

    I don’t agree with that position in the least bit - one could easily argue that while liberals are elitists, Republicans are uneducated/willfully ignorant. There’s no concrete answer.

    That being said, if I’m hearing the ‘liberal elitists’ position fairly often, I can’t exactly ignore it and say y’all are wrong...even if I think y’all are wrong.


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