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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I literally said I don’t blame Bernie. Please go back and re-read what I said.

    His supporters need to accept when they have lost the battle and continue to fight the war. If they decided that Trump is preferable to Clinton, then they’re ****ing useless. I would think they deserve to be called out by Hillary and anyone else who doesn’t like the idea of Brett Kavanaugh getting rewarded for his molesting women with a lifetime seat where he can make sure unions and the working class, the very same folks who Bernie says he cares about, get shafted because of it. If they could have gotten past their own egos, we have a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court.

    I understand and you have the right to be pissed if some of the democrat bases didn't come out for Hillary, but some of us are pissed from the republicans calling us slackers, takers and whiners when we protest for programs that were taken from us. And all we get from the party we belong to is "you poor people" and few words of "damn racism is a problem."

    Do you believe our democrat allies should be called out for letting the situation in black communities, including Flint get so f'ing bad with no solution in sight? That is where we are at. It is great to talk that unity thing but I haven't seen it come our way. I got into a long argument with a dense poster about why should someone be apart of a party that doesn't champion their issues? I don't believe in the party outside Bernie, who has a record of doing the right thing, and the progressive. If they aren't in control after Nov 2, well, I know we will go through another cycle with places like Flint needing more and more special need program to handle the increase of lead-poisoned kids that need them. Name another candidate who is even addressing these issues? They don't even mention Flint. I am sure we will get plenty of "you poor people" and "damn racism is a problem" cards
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    Sanders has a double digit lead in first on the Marist poll and even NPR was obsessed with covering Bloomberg’s rise this morning.

    Man they are so scared. It’s the same treatment Trump got from republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Sanders has a double digit lead in first on the Marist poll and even NPR was obsessed with covering Bloomberg’s rise this morning.

    Man they are so scared. It’s the same treatment Trump got from republicans.
    You'd think they be a little more sophisticated, or that they took at least a minute to reflect on the impact that had in the last primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Sanders has a double digit lead in first on the Marist poll and even NPR was obsessed with covering Bloomberg’s rise this morning.

    Man they are so scared. It’s the same treatment Trump got from republicans.
    If that's the case, do you think the Democrats will line up behind Bernie when he wins.

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    As a very vocal Bernie supporter who was VERY vocal in supporting Hillary against Trump in 2016, it does really annoy me when we get slandered for HER loss. "Bernie didn't campaign enough". Nonsense. "Bernie voters didn't show up". Yeah, this happens all the time: more Clinton voters voted for McCain than Sanders supporters voting for Trump. And something tells me those people that did vote for Trump probably aren't ardent defenders of Sanders' democratic socialist platform to this day...

    It really just sounds like people think he shouldn't have dared run for President.

    Either way, what even is the point of re-litigating this for the millionth time, especially here?

    There are so many lessons to 2016 and "Bernie supporters suck" is really the least useful.

    Let's try not to throw all our might behind a widely unpopular candidate with a lot of baggage who was running an uninspiring and poorly-ran campaign who is just going to sit up there on the debate stage with a message of "I'm not as bad as that guy".

    Maybe instead of crying about "unity" and crying about Sanders supporters we instead....let the primary play out organically. Let the candidates fight over their disagreements. Let them criticize each others' records. And hopefully, because of this robust field with a plethora of different types of candidates, we'll actually get a good one out of it.

    The last thing we need is another candidate that no one likes with a lot of baggage that in many ways is indistinguishable from a Republican to be the Democratic nominee


    But hey. If anyone is gravely worried about Sanders voters not showing up for someone else, well, it sounds like he needs to be the guy that wins

    We should all be more worried about the centrists not supporting Sanders at this point and I think deep down everyone here knows that. But whatever. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Look who it is the big war hero!

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    Two dudes...that ain't the biblical definition that Trump was raised with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Sanders has a double digit lead in first on the Marist poll and even NPR was obsessed with covering Bloomberg’s rise this morning.

    Man they are so scared. It’s the same treatment Trump got from republicans.
    It doesn't help to criticize his supporters as Bernie Bros, or sexist or mean spirited. Any non-committed will see a lot of women supporting him and the emptiness of their charges on the other attacks. Just like when they attack Trump's supporters as deplorable, this tactic will just enrage and united them more for their candidate.

    These fools are so desperate and disconnected from the public that anything they do will blowback on them. Ask Hillary and Warren how they did they do when they they tried this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    It doesn't help to criticize his supporters as Bernie Bros, or sexist or mean spirited. Any non-committed will see a lot of women supporting him and the emptiness of their charges on the other attacks. Just like when they attack Trump's supporters as deplorable, this tactic will just enrage and united them more for their candidate.

    These fools are so desperate and disconnected from the public that anything they do will blowback on them. Ask Hillary and Warren how they did they do when they they tried this.
    Calling the Trump supporters deplorable was 100% true...the criticism of Bernie's supporters contains strong elements of truth. On the Democratic side, the Bernie Bros and the Yang Gang are extremely viscous when someone dares question the leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Calling the Trump supporters deplorable was 100% true...the criticism of Bernie's supporters contains strong elements of truth. On the Democratic side, the Bernie Bros and the Yang Gang are extremely viscous when someone dares question the leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    If you could go back in time and do the 60’s all over again, would you still be one of those reactionaries or would you switch sides (so to speak)?
    Interesting question since I would be going back in time knowing what I know now after having experienced the last 50 years.

    Just like you can't unring a bell, you cannot "unknow" something you know.

    But here goes………

    I would feel the same way about the two biggest issues of the day…racial injustice and the Vietnam war. So even going back in time with all that I know now, I would still firmly support the racial equality movement (although no one here believes that since they know what I was thinking 50 years ago) and the anti war movement.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be concerned as to how other social programs were being implemented…particularly the war on poverty. It was handled poorly and in the long run did little to help us get rid of poverty. What was supposed to be programs to assist people in getting out of poverty has become programs of handouts that keeps people in poverty.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be far more concerned with liberal policies towards drugs, family, and other social issues. I would not be so quick to simply accept people speaking Spanish and making it easy for the to do so. This does no one any good especially Spanish speaking people. I would do a lot more to encourage (maybe even force) assimilation.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be very concerned about the push for abortion. I was and am pro choice ((although no one here believes that since they know what I was thinking 50 years ago) but the abortion movement has morphed into a national stain and it carries far more weight in elections than it should. In essence, a simple and easily avoidable medical condition has a far too weighted effect on our politics.

    Knowing what I know now, I would have a wall built long before Trump arrived on the scene and supported much stronger immigration policies.

    That's just some ideas off the top of my head.

    Good question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Interesting question since I would be going back in time knowing what I know now after having experienced the last 50 years.

    Just like you can't unring a bell, you cannot "unknow" something you know.

    But here goes………

    I would feel the same way about the two biggest issues of the day…racial injustice and the Vietnam war. So even going back in time with all that I know now, I would still firmly support the racial equality movement (although no one here believes that since they know what I was thinking 50 years ago) and the anti war movement.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be concerned as to how other social programs were being implemented…particularly the war on poverty. It was handled poorly and in the long run did little to help us get rid of poverty. What was supposed to be programs to assist people in getting out of poverty has become programs of handouts that keeps people in poverty.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be far more concerned with liberal policies towards drugs, family, and other social issues. I would not be so quick to simply accept people speaking Spanish and making it easy for the to do so. This does no one any good especially Spanish speaking people. I would do a lot more to encourage (maybe even force) assimilation.

    Knowing what I know now, I would be very concerned about the push for abortion. I was and am pro choice ((although no one here believes that since they know what I was thinking 50 years ago) but the abortion movement has morphed into a national stain and it carries far more weight in elections than it should. In essence, a simple and easily avoidable medical condition has a far too weighted effect on our politics.

    Knowing what I know now, I would have a wall built long before Trump arrived on the scene and supported much stronger immigration policies.

    That's just some ideas off the top of my head.

    Good question.

    Thanks Sluggo. A couple questions. What do you mean liberal policies towards family? I also don't get you view on abortion. I understand that you have a take it or leave kind of attitude and think it's importance is out sized. What I don't get is it seems like you think making it illegal would stop it from being a political issue. I don't see how. There is large group that is passionate about there opinion on both sides that will make noise. I'm a getting you right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Calling the Trump supporters deplorable was 100% true...the criticism of Bernie's supporters contains strong elements of truth. On the Democratic side, the Bernie Bros and the Yang Gang are extremely viscous when someone dares question the leader.
    I think Bloomberg's press release where he "named names" in regards to the viscous attacks highlighted what this is really all about. Brie Joy Gray, Nina Turner and David Sirota were the Bernie Bros he named and the tweets he submitted as evidence were laughable. They just were calling him a racist plutocrat. The later is clearly true and the former is based in plenty of evidence. And they're being labeled "attacks". I've seen people demand them to step down for those tweets. Which are utterly benign.

    Yes, there are a lot of Sanders supporters that are incredibly passionate about the policy they support. Because to a lot of people this policy matters. Sanders' platform inherently means a lot more to a lot more people than anyone else's because it actually seeks to directly help out the countless that have been left behind. When they, or I, see Jenifer Rubin, David Frum, Bret Stephens, Max Boot or any of the countless conservatives that spew out bad faith attacks on his policy and himself from the right, well, they WILL get piled on. And that rules. There is nothing wrong with that. They're punching up and mocking nonsense. And most of what everyone is upset about is just that. Who cares?

    Additionally, I think Sanders has always conducted himself at a higher standard than just about every other politician in this country. Now that Bernie has essentially won the argument over policy, has been remarkably consistent over the course of his career and is the most popular politician, you have to focus on other things. Manufacture more outrage. So what's left? BERNIE BROS. So that's the number one issue because it's all those who want to continue the centrist status quo have left. Also, this IS the internet. I'm an ******* to plenty of people here...most of us are. Let's not pretend there aren't countless supporters of other politicians that aren't uncouth online

    I also don't think the Bernie Bro thing works. I didn't really work in 2016, it's clearly not working now. Why?Because most of this country isn't 1/10000th as online as us or anyone who cares about "Bernie Bros" are.


    Oh, and he has the most diverse group of supporters so keep reducing them all to "Bernie Bros". That's a great look!

    He also answered the Town Hall question wonderfully last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    As a very vocal Bernie supporter who was VERY vocal in supporting Hillary against Trump in 2016, it does really annoy me when we get slandered for HER loss. "Bernie didn't campaign enough". Nonsense. "Bernie voters didn't show up". Yeah, this happens all the time: more Clinton voters voted for McCain than Sanders supporters voting for Trump. And something tells me those people that did vote for Trump probably aren't ardent defenders of Sanders' democratic socialist platform to this day...

    It really just sounds like people think he shouldn't have dared run for President.

    Either way, what even is the point of re-litigating this for the millionth time, especially here?

    There are so many lessons to 2016 and "Bernie supporters suck" is really the least useful.

    Let's try not to throw all our might behind a widely unpopular candidate with a lot of baggage who was running an uninspiring and poorly-ran campaign who is just going to sit up there on the debate stage with a message of "I'm not as bad as that guy".

    Maybe instead of crying about "unity" and crying about Sanders supporters we instead....let the primary play out organically. Let the candidates fight over their disagreements. Let them criticize each others' records. And hopefully, because of this robust field with a plethora of different types of candidates, we'll actually get a good one out of it.

    The last thing we need is another candidate that no one likes with a lot of baggage that in many ways is indistinguishable from a Republican to be the Democratic nominee


    But hey. If anyone is gravely worried about Sanders voters not showing up for someone else, well, it sounds like he needs to be the guy that wins

    We should all be more worried about the centrists not supporting Sanders at this point and I think deep down everyone here knows that. But whatever. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Calling the Trump supporters deplorable was 100% true...the criticism of Bernie's supporters contains strong elements of truth. On the Democratic side, the Bernie Bros and the Yang Gang are extremely viscous when someone dares question the leader.
    The problem lies with you believing that Republicans are deplorable. I mean, I thought so too. Alienating an incredibly large base however, is terrible politics.

    And like everything, the vocal minority gets more of a limelight than the silent majority. You get a few hundred “Bernie Bro’s” attacking other people and suddenly people thing Bernie Bro’s are rampant. We’ve seen this time and time again.

    Still, Bernie condemned those people in the greatest way possible. It’s not gonna help to those who are willfully ignorant and are looking for a reason to paint Bernie as an extremist who wants violence and war.


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