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  1. #14461
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I would rather people in the radical left get more changes to happen rather than have THIS Democratic party continue to run and behave the way they have been. Maybe there is some progress to be had that way.

    Right now, assuming Biden wins, then Harris is the automatic candidate in 4-8 years and it's just more of the same or worse. Biden has some morals, I'm not at all convinced Harris has any at all.
    Well, Trump is certainly worse. I agree with you,a Trump admin helps the US , possibly, move towards being more progressive.


    However, Trump is too dangerous -imo-to take that chance. It will be more of the same or worse, compared to other presidencies. But not compared to Trump. He's too dangerous and inept, makes W looks like a genius honestly despite the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Well, Trump is certainly worse. I agree with you,a Trump admin helps the US , possibly, move towards being more progressive.


    However, Trump is too dangerous -imo-to take that chance. It will be more of the same or worse, compared to other presidencies. But not compared to Trump. He's too dangerous and inept, makes W looks like a genius honestly despite the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles.

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    How is he dangerous???

    Unlikeable…no doubt.

    But "dangerous"??? Give us some specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I guess for some unknown reason you don't know that Blacks are a major voting bloc within the democrat party.
    I guess for some unknown reason you don't know that Trump is polling higher among blacks than any recent repub.

    Maybe they are starting to figure it out that the dems have done nothing for them and what is to lose by trying something else.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    how about when campaigning in front of people, not calling any of them chumps. especially while saying he will work for everyone including those people.
    How about calling your opponent by his correct name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    So, I was saying a while ago that it may be better for the country in the long run if Trump won because if Biden wins he's going to run a horrible administration that is going to be pro-corporate, pro-military, pro-china nightmare that will say the "right" things but do nothing for the people. They have already been setting this up with what they have been saying with "the cupboard is bare" and that taxes and corporate regulations are not going to change. Health care, filibuster, even the minimum wage will not change. They will blame all they can on the Supreme court and sell us that they are fighting for us. And they will be saddled with the Corona economy to be blamed on the Dems for the next election and my concern that the next Prez will likely then be a Republican and could be much worse and more empowered, more entrenched, and more capable than Trump ever was.

    Guess what? Bernie apparently agrees with me because he said it!
    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    That would only radicalize the left and empower the extreme right even more. You don't want someone like Corona Don running things during the worst health and economic period in most people's lives. Even our foreign affairs will suffer. Trump is the most empathy lacking president in my lifetime, a trait that is needed even more in our troubling times. If he has another term, even more people will realize that the government doesn't give a crap about them. More social unrest by the so-called left will occur which will increase the cultural war, the far-right activity.

    There is no good reason, that I can think of, to allow inept leadership to continue. Yes, Biden is a piece of crap for the issues that concern me, but he has more checks and balances to his thinking than Trump, who is like a bull in a China shop when it comes to the constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I would rather people in the radical left get more changes to happen rather than have THIS Democratic party continue to run and behave the way they have been. Maybe there is some progress to be had that way.

    Right now, assuming Biden wins, then Harris is the automatic candidate in 4-8 years and it's just more of the same or worse. Biden has some morals, I'm not at all convinced Harris has any at all.
    Good exchange — seriously. And precisely the reason why this presidential election is an absolute lose/lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Good exchange — seriously. And precisely the reason why this presidential election is an absolute lose/lose.
    I agree.

    If only we had elected Romney, we'd all be better off right now. Wouldn't have had Trump or Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    How is he dangerous???

    Unlikeable…no doubt.

    But "dangerous"??? Give us some specifics.
    It would be hard to argue he's not been divisive.

    What happens if he wins re-election and views that (and he would) as everybody likes what he's been doing and are for his plans? What does Trump do with 4 more years knowing he does NOT have to think about another election? Does anyone remotely think Pence could win in 2024? Or that Trump could give 2 ***** about it either way?

    I am sincerely concerned how much more divisive he could be with another 4 years. I'm also sincerely concerned at how destructive he could be the rest of this year should he lose. He's a bully when he's getting his way and a petulant child when he isn't.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I would rather people in the radical left get more changes to happen rather than have THIS Democratic party continue to run and behave the way they have been. Maybe there is some progress to be had that way.

    Right now, assuming Biden wins, then Harris is the automatic candidate in 4-8 years and it's just more of the same or worse. Biden has some morals, I'm not at all convinced Harris has any at all.
    One can dig a hole too deep to get out of and that where we will be if Trump continues. Some of his blunders in foreign policies will take decades to overcome. Our farmers lost their main customer, China, to South America. Our erratic leadership has driven the Philipines and Indio-China deeper into China's sphere of influence. We have shaken our allies, in NATO, confidence in us, and now they are fighting among themselves, Greece and Turkey, for an instant.

    A second Biden term and a Harris presidency aren't ensured.

    1. Biden will win not because of some great admiration for him but for the intensity of the hate for Trump. So he won't have the enormous goodwill that Reagan and Obama had, in fact, a lot of people are holding their nose while voting for him. If the old Biden shows up he will lose that support and any future chances for a second term, because more and more people want change. They were disappointed in Obama and outrage (for some republicans like Site) at Trump for not bringing the changes they promise. Draining the swamp or taxing the rich more, not the silly stuff like wall building.

    2. We both agree that Biden is crap, he is the same old, same old. I hope that I am not wrong about this, but he will face a more rabid progressive wing that will seek to combat his neo-liberal tendencies and an economical and pandemic battled public who will have no patience for more of the same attitude from our leaders. Tough times make people more desperate for change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I guess for some unknown reason you don't know that Trump is polling higher among blacks than any recent repub.

    Maybe they are starting to figure it out that the dems have done nothing for them and what is to lose by trying something else.

    Just a thought.
    Reminds me of the song that starts with "Beautiful dreamers dreaming their dreams."

    If you want to gauge Black acceptance of a candidate just watch how they react towards well know black figures who support them. Blacks can't stand Candice Owens or talk about Kanye's bi-polar condition (that ****** is crazy comments). Whether it is right or wrong, a black leader would be considered an Uncle Tom, a kiss of death to their career within the community, if he cozying up to a known racist. It is their third rail within that group. Oh, they can make money and a powerless political position within the republican sphere, but to be used to get support for the party, no they have no weight with voting blacks.

    The casinos make a massive amount of money off people who work on the "it could happen" mentality.
    Last edited by WES445; 10-26-2020 at 01:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    It would be hard to argue he's not been divisive.

    What happens if he wins re-election and views that (and he would) as everybody likes what he's been doing and are for his plans? What does Trump do with 4 more years knowing he does NOT have to think about another election? Does anyone remotely think Pence could win in 2024? Or that Trump could give 2 ***** about it either way?

    I am sincerely concerned how much more divisive he could be with another 4 years. I'm also sincerely concerned at how destructive he could be the rest of this year should he lose. He's a bully when he's getting his way and a petulant child when he isn't.
    He's definitely no a nice guy, no argument there.

    But I'm not sure where the divisiveness really comes from

    Day one…Madonna wants to bomb the WH (should have been arrested). Claims of fraud, no acceptance of the fact that he could possibly beat Hilly (I mean, really, how can you lose when you have been coronated). DeNiro want to "punch him in the face," they goofy redhead comedian with the bloody Trump head, the rapper with the assassination skit, Wacky MAxine screaming, all the late night anti-trump profanity, all the ***** hat marches, all the "Not My President"marches, accosting admin people on the street and in restaurants and airports. And, last but not least……the three year impeachment crusade that he dems knew was false and had no chance of succeeding.Three years of accomplishing nothing.

    Can you honestly say that the right and the libs and the media accepted Hilly's defeat and made any attempt to work with Trump???

    Even now, the Biden/Hunter Biden/China scandal shoulr be front and center in the news. It should be a reporter's dream assignment. And almost none of the media covers it.

    Trump is the non-politician and not a Washington insider. No question about that. They hate him for it.

    As far as being divisive……there is plenty of that to go around on the dem side too.

    And now you would rather have a borderline senile fool that can't remember who he is running against and (more importantly) none of us are sure who is really pulling the strings.

    I'll take Trump. I've yet to see him do anything wrong for the country.. If you're going t bring up Covid…he could have done better, or it could have been worse. We don't know either way for a fact. (Although we're all sure that BO would have thousands of lives just by being him (or is it Him).

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    Just from a black viewpoint, I don't need a leader to empower those who want a race war or embolden some kid to travel across states with a weapon to marshall blacks in their communities and shot protesters. Then hold him up as a victim or a hero. That may be a small thing for some, but that is a bright whatthe**** is happening sign to me. Trump must go, no more digging holes we can't get out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Wow!

    So you know they are voting dem??? Always thought it was a secret ballot.
    Statistically speaking we can estimate the likely outcome of their voting just like we can with the electorate as a while or any demographic group.

    But you knew this already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Well, Trump is certainly worse. I agree with you,a Trump admin helps the US , possibly, move towards being more progressive.


    However, Trump is too dangerous -imo-to take that chance. It will be more of the same or worse, compared to other presidencies. But not compared to Trump. He's too dangerous and inept, makes W looks like a genius honestly despite the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles.

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    The issue is whether an inept ineffective Trump in 4 years do more damage to the future of our country than the damage an effective worse version of him does in 4 years, and is the Dems actually waking up and embracing the progressives in 4 years better than 4 or 8 more years of the same old useless Dem party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    It would be hard to argue he's not been divisive.

    What happens if he wins re-election and views that (and he would) as everybody likes what he's been doing and are for his plans? What does Trump do with 4 more years knowing he does NOT have to think about another election? Does anyone remotely think Pence could win in 2024? Or that Trump could give 2 ***** about it either way?

    I am sincerely concerned how much more divisive he could be with another 4 years. I'm also sincerely concerned at how destructive he could be the rest of this year should he lose. He's a bully when he's getting his way and a petulant child when he isn't.
    Trump's divisiveness is largely fueled by the left focusing and promoting it as long and as hard as is possible. Had his stupid and insensitive comments been noted and left behind he'd have been far less divisive. To some considerable extent it's a self inflicted wound we did to ourselves.

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    How destructive he could be? Give me a break.

    If you don't want destructive don't vote for the party that will get us back on foreign oil, go back into the middle east, raise taxes, and offer free healthcare to migrants while not policing the border.
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