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  1. #6421
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    Trump can get this type of turnout and he's not even running against anyone seriously an option.

    Yes, Trump's moron base has nothing better to do than go out and vote for a guy basically running unopposed. But Dems had more than twice the turnout and broke the 2008 turnout record. Trump needs more than his unhinged base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Exit polling always deserves a grain of salt but CNN's exit polling shows Sanders got 42% of the Hispanic vote (Klobuchar in second with just 14%) and 32% of the non-white support (doubling up 2nd place Joe Biden, who got 16%). Pete got 11% and 15% respectively. He still polls abysmally with both groups nationally.

    Who's the unelectable democrat again?

    I've talked myself into not being too worried about Pete again. But we'll see.

    Certainly not Bernie who got the wide appeal. After the farce that Warren, Joy Reid, the numbnuts on the View and Hillary push that he was a sexist, Fox is trying to paint him as racist for living in a white area. One MSNBC talking-head argues with Nina Turner that Bernie is an oligarchist. It is getting hilarious, and people are starting to pick up on it. One NH voter on MSNBC said she was voting for Bernie because she was getting tired of all the bs that MSNBC talking heads were spewing about him and studied his position. A new outlet she said she watches all the time. I have stopped watching Joy Reid a long time ago as well as MSNBC. Chris Matthews should be put in a nursing home. Joy Reid should be forced to give up her Black card (she says she support black issues) for supporting Bloomberg.

    It is will be a long road, take the little victories because they will add up. Right now, Biden has proven himself unviable going forward to those in SC who would have voted for him. Obama didn't have the full support of the Black communities until he started winning. Bernie has won the popular vote in the first two states. I think this will snowball into bigger leads down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    I’m especially worried that Warren will endorse Klobuchar just because they’re friends and both women. Identity politics are gonna start to play a role pretty soon.
    I agree. Everything Warren said yesterday has me now suddenly convinced that she isn't interested in rallying behind Sanders. I don't know if that means endorsing Amy -- I think she'll be patient with her endorsement -- but I definitely think she's ready to fall in line. But she clearly took a shot at Bernie all the while subsequently congratulating Amy and as time goes on continues to sound more and more like the average Bernie-skeptic.

    I mean, she did endorse Hillary while Bernie was still running in 2016. She's done it before. She took a slight hit with hardened progressive then and she'd probably take a much bigger one if she does it again. I hope she is truly the principled, policy-based person we've always been told she is.

    I soured on her a lot because of the shenanigans she pulled in the lead up to the January debate and I've continued to sour since. I really hope I'm wrong. At least people aren't pretending like her and Bernie are ideological equivalents any more. But we're about to see how big or small that gap between the two really is. Once and for all.
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    I'd be concerned with Bernie's running mate if he gets the nomination.

    If he picks Hilly, start a pool, he's as good as dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'd be concerned with Bernie's running mate if he gets the nomination.

    If he picks Hilly, start a pool, he's as good as dead.
    What’s good with the rights obsession with Hillary?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'd be concerned with Bernie's running mate if he gets the nomination.

    If he picks Hilly, start a pool, he's as good as dead.
    Can I get whatever it is you're smoking every day?


    But, I'll drag this back towards seriousness...

    I think the Warren ship has sailed.

    I hope he picks Sara Nelson, but that's a little bit out of left field. I think Tammy Baldwin would work. Barbara Lee too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I agree. Everything Warren said yesterday has me now suddenly convinced that she isn't interested in rallying behind Sanders. I don't know if that means endorsing Amy -- I think she'll be patient with her endorsement -- but I definitely think she's ready to fall in line. But she clearly took a shot at Bernie all the while subsequently congratulating Amy and as time goes on continues to sound more and more like the average Bernie-skeptic.

    I mean, she did endorse Hillary while Bernie was still running in 2016. She's done it before. She took a slight hit with hardened progressive then and she'd probably take a much bigger one if she does it again. I hope she is truly the principled, policy-based person we've always been told she is.

    I soured on her a lot because of the shenanigans she pulled in the lead up to the January debate and I've continued to sour since. I really hope I'm wrong. At least people aren't pretending like her and Bernie are ideological equivalents any more. But we're about to see how big or small that gap between the two really is. Once and for all.
    Her taking a shot at Bernie and congratulating Amy makes me believe that she’s going to endorse Klobuchar. Like you said, I’m sure she’ll be patient but that’s the vibe I’m currently getting. It’s pathetic, honestly. She’s taking shots at Bernie - who has an incredibly similar platform and like you said, wouldn’t endorse him last time around. to me, she’s more interested in endorsing a woman to be president with little platform similarities instead of Bernie - who she’s incredibly similar to. That’s what she did in 2016 and I feel she’s going to do that this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if her endorsement of Bernie was contingent upon picking her as his VP pick.

    Warren is another typical politician who I feel lies about her progressive roots just because it’s the cool thing to do. She doesn’t have the massive grassroots support that Bernie has and she seems like the liberal elitist that the right hates so much. After the whole Native American thing came out, I told myself that I wouldn’t support her. She’s like Delozal 2.0 with that ********.

    I have a feeling she’s going to shy away from her progressive roots and go towards being a ‘moderate who can defeat Trump’ but it wouldn’t shock me considering how her campaign changes their message every ten minutes.

    I would love to vote a woman for president, Hillary and Warren are terrible choices. Hell, until dirt comes out saying she’s horrible, I rather Klobuchar over Warren. I’m hoping that an accomplished woman of color bursts on the scene in the next 4-8 years, I love AOC but I don’t think she’s ready for prime time yet. ****, she’d have my vote though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Can I get whatever it is you're smoking every day?
    Why would you want to smoke crack?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    Her taking a shot at Bernie and congratulating Amy makes me believe that she’s going to endorse Klobuchar. Like you said, I’m sure she’ll be patient but that’s the vibe I’m currently getting. It’s pathetic, honestly. She’s taking shots at Bernie - who has an incredibly similar platform and like you said, wouldn’t endorse him last time around. to me, she’s more interested in endorsing a woman to be president with little platform similarities instead of Bernie - who she’s incredibly similar to. That’s what she did in 2016 and I feel she’s going to do that this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if her endorsement of Bernie was contingent upon picking her as his VP pick.

    Warren is another typical politician who I feel lies about her progressive roots just because it’s the cool thing to do. She doesn’t have the massive grassroots support that Bernie has and she seems like the liberal elitist that the right hates so much. After the whole Native American thing came out, I told myself that I wouldn’t support her. She’s like Delozal 2.0 with that ********.

    I have a feeling she’s going to shy away from her progressive roots and go towards being a ‘moderate who can defeat Trump’ but it wouldn’t shock me considering how her campaign changes their message every ten minutes.

    I would love to vote a woman for president, Hillary and Warren are terrible choices. Hell, until dirt comes out saying she’s horrible, I rather Klobuchar over Warren. I’m hoping that an accomplished woman of color bursts on the scene in the next 4-8 years, I love AOC but I don’t think she’s ready for prime time yet. ****, she’d have my vote though.
    Every probably should just ignore this long post coming up...

    This is probably a poor way to explain it to the masses of PSD, but this has been my thesis for a while:

    Bernie is the Eugene Debs to Elizabeth Warren's Louis Brandeis.

    Debs was the standard bears of the Socialist Party of America. He was an activist, an organizer and a trade unionist. He believed that capitalism had concentrated the wealth and power in this country and the solution was a "cooperative commonwealth", as he called it, where industry was democratically controlled and workers received the full fruits of their labor. It was actual solidarity, not competition that mattered. Strip the power through from the employer class by organizing, striking and above all else class unity. Not regulation. Not policies. But a movement.

    Brandeis was the progressive SCOTUS judge appointed by Woodrow Wilson. He was a social justice crusader who fought for all sorts of progressive causes like busting railroad monopolies, defending labor and work laws and calling out corruption everywhere he saw it. He targeted large corporations and finance as inequality soared. But he was no radical. Debs was the radical. He was a defender of capitalism. He believed that the path forward was via government and enforcing the law of competition. He did little organizing and toed the party line.

    Debs built a movement based on revolution. He would call out and oppose anyone who fought against the ideals that both Warren and Sanders largely believe. But Warren believes in benevolent capitalism. That the markets work, the rules just need to be fairer. Sanders doesn’t think the system is merely off kilter. He thinks the system is the problem.

    During the golden years of capitalism where we had strong unions, high top marginal income tax rates and inequality was at it's low, Warren would see this as rules-based capitalism working as it should, and Sanders views it as a time where we were moving towards socialism after years of class struggle, before major capitalist backlash intervened and toppled it. Because they could. The Neoliberalism of the last 50 years took foot and the rest is history. There was no stopping it. The working class was destroyed and inequality skyrocketed. Nothing Brandeis did could stop it.

    I can keep going...I think there's a lot to unpack about what happened after. But who cares?



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    Manram: who would you see as a VP for Bernie?

    Warren would seem to be the ideological pick but I don't think that he would pick her based on their issues recently. I've been reading some articles on it lately and would like to know your perspective.

    I know he endorsed Warren but I wonder if Castro would be a good pick. I saw one article that said he would look to Stabenow or Baldwin from Michigan and Wisconsin respectively in order to bolster the midwest and maintain progressive choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    91% of an electorate is weak numbers? I mean, what was the turnout for the Republican NH primary? I'd imagine most people who would vote for Trump there wouldn't go because they already know as the President he'll be the nominee. I'd expect a disproportionate turnout from Republicans who dislike him.
    Don't let that get in the way of dbroncos78087 little victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Yes, Trump's moron base has nothing better to do than go out and vote for a guy basically running unopposed. But Dems had more than twice the turnout and broke the 2008 turnout record. Trump needs more than his unhinged base.
    You are in absolutely no place to be calling people "moron" or "unhinged". Deep breaths, man. Deep breaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'd be concerned with Bernie's running mate if he gets the nomination.

    If he picks Hilly, start a pool, he's as good as dead.
    Why on Earth would he even humor the idea of picking "Hilly"?




    *and would this be before or after Hillary or Michelle announce their surprise run at the presidency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    91% of an electorate is weak numbers? I mean, what was the turnout for the Republican NH primary? I'd imagine most people who would vote for Trump there wouldn't go because they already know as the President he'll be the nominee. I'd expect a disproportionate turnout from Republicans who dislike him.
    For what it's worth, since November 2016 there are roughly 30,000 LESS registered Republicans in New Hampshire. The count was a shade under 309,000 in November 2016 and today (February 4) the count sits at 288,000.
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    Val Demings as a VP maybe? Progressive woman of color from swing state. Hate to play the identity politics game but whatever works.
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