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  1. #8296
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    I am with Leo in that I have never even seen DJ's face. But two things seem clear despite all of the fan hyperbole.

    1 - the Yankees have a smart analytics team and have a proven track record of identifying people that will blossom as a Yankee (Didi, Hicks, Voit) and DJ is a player that they think the same of (good defense, hard contact, high contact, etc.)

    2 - DJ was an overpay as an insurance policy. They did not pay him 12M to be a utility player, Wade can do that. They paid him that as a hedge on their current infield question marks (can Andujar improve? can Tulo make a comeback? will Didi return early? will DiDi be Didi?). If Didi is a bust and/or leaves via free agency after the season, and Tulo bombs, an infield of Andujar, Gleyber, and DJ is still pretty solid. He is a classic hedge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    I agree, Gardner still provides value but hopefully Frazier forces his way into taking his job. But if you act like Gardner sucks then you are an idiot. Even more so if you think CC sucks, I don't get the CC hate at all.
    Garnder doesn't suck, at least not completely.
    Let me ask this, if there was a nameless 35 year old player who was great in the clubhouse, still could run and play a serviceable OF but slashed 236 avg/322obp/12hr/45rbi, would you have paid him 9.5 mil?
    No. This contract was one based on sentiment. I don't have a problem with it but let's not pretend for one moment he's worth that money and if his contract prevented them from signing another, better player? It's flat out stupid.

    I like the CC signing more than the Gardner one. I agree with Leo that CC won't finish the season but I only think that applies to the rotation. His knees won't last. Is till think it's a good sign and that he will be a great mentor.
    I also believe if we are to win a title, he will have an important role. One of those, out of the pen for 4 innings that keeps the Yanks in a game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Garnder doesn't suck, at least not completely.
    Let me ask this, if there was a nameless 35 year old player who was great in the clubhouse, still could run and play a serviceable OF but slashed 236 avg/322obp/12hr/45rbi, would you have paid him 9.5 mil?
    No. This contract was one based on sentiment. I don't have a problem with it but let's not pretend for one moment he's worth that money and if his contract prevented them from signing another, better player? It's flat out stupid.

    I like the CC signing more than the Gardner one. I agree with Leo that CC won't finish the season but I only think that applies to the rotation. His knees won't last. Is till think it's a good sign and that he will be a great mentor.
    I also believe if we are to win a title, he will have an important role. One of those, out of the pen for 4 innings that keeps the Yanks in a game.
    Gardner is making 7.5 not 9.5

    Silly clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    I agree, Gardner still provides value but hopefully Frazier forces his way into taking his job. But if you act like Gardner sucks then you are an idiot. Even more so if you think CC sucks, I don't get the CC hate at all.
    Gardner is not a good player.

    He is a serviceable, mediocre talent that has skirted accountability for FAR too long because he is, quite simply, a Cashman guy.

    His early career was built around speed, yet he never managed to steal a meaningful base in his life (that I can recall, please, feel free to refresh my memory), he has been an ironclad, consistent playoff rally killer with his lack of anything even remotely resembling an offensive tool set worthy of LF in Yankee Stadium, and he has, for time out of mind, blocked not only a roster spot from better talents that we could've/should've engaged on, but represented a guarenteed October dead spot in our lineups that can never seem to muster that meaningful October hit (as an aside. he had one stellar AB against Cleveland in Game 5 in 2017 (sounds worth 7.5 mil to me)).

    Is Gardner terrible? No

    Is he really good?? Also a no.

    Garner is a quality defensive piece with defensive speed tools that bolster about the only sort of credibility to his skill set. However, Gardner is basically a mediocre place holder for talent that never materializes, who has skirted by because he is a 'good guy' who certainly would never command 7.5 on the open market given his current skill set, never mind on Day 2 of the offseason (as if there existed some sort of necessary rush to lock up his 'skill set').

    We could and should do FAR better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RCSownsU View Post
    Gardner is making 7.5 not 9.5

    Silly clown.
    $2M buyout was included. Technically correct, however they would have paid him the 2M whether they resigned him or not.

    His career numbers (.261 ave. .735OPS 257 SB) coupled with his GG and stolen base numbers look much better than last seasons and imo a better argument can be mustered based on them. I do agree it was sentiment that was the motivation, as stated from outset it was a reward for 12 years of service.
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    Gardy is in prime was a very good, never great, outfielder. Now he is a serviceable elder statesmen that is essentially our 4th OF. Unless they sign Harper, he will likely start the season in LF but by May be replaced by Frazier. If Frazier is not up to it by the break, they will trade for someone like McCutchen last year.
    Time to double down on the 'Spects!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laying Low View Post
    Gardy is in prime was a very good, never great, outfielder. Now he is a serviceable elder statesmen that is essentially our 4th OF. Unless they sign Harper, he will likely start the season in LF but by May be replaced by Frazier. If Frazier is not up to it by the break, they will trade for someone like McCutchen last year.
    Agree. My hope, Frazier is up to the task and they never look back.
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    Evidently, the Yankees didn't trust that Frazier would be fully recovered from his concussion injuries. They also didn't trust Ellsbury to come back and play another game for them. They weren't going to match Harper's $300 million offer from the Nationals. So, they needed a 4th outfielder and wanted to decide between two players on their roster from last year, which are Gardner and McCutcheon. They gave Gardner a one-year deal for $7.5 million. McCutcheon got a 3 year $51 million deal from Philly. Not withstanding the debate that perhaps they could have gotten Gardner cheaper, if that's the only two options that they were exploring, did they make the right choice by giving Gardner $7.5 million and not being locked into a 3 year deal with McCutcheon for $17 million per year? Given the same choice, if the Yankees had signed McCutcheon, assuming the Phillies were interested, would they have given Gardner $3 million or more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCSownsU View Post
    Gardner is making 7.5 not 9.5

    Silly clown.
    They bought him out for 2 mil to avoid paying 12.5. 2+7=9

    Silly Fireman



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    Slappy for 9 mil is incredibly inefficient. He probably wouldn’t have even gotten a major league deal anywhere.

    Love having him as a bench piece but still a horrendous signing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laying Low View Post
    Gardy is in prime was a very good, never great, outfielder. Now he is a serviceable elder statesmen that is essentially our 4th OF. Unless they sign Harper, he will likely start the season in LF but by May be replaced by Frazier. If Frazier is not up to it by the break, they will trade for someone like McCutchen last year.
    gardy was good in his prime not very good....don't overrate him....after last year debacle he is finished he should not be starting this year for the yanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    gardy was good in his prime not very good....don't overrate him....after last year debacle he is finished he should not be starting this year for the yanks..
    I am pretty sure that all of us including the Yankee brass will be overjoyed if by the time we are talking about Jordan Montgomery and Didi returning to the lineup soon, if Clint frazier has already relegated Gardy to the role of 4th/5th OF'er (Still have STanton and NL fields to think of)/Defensive specialist/pinch runner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    They bought him out for 2 mil to avoid paying 12.5. 2+7=9

    Silly Fireman
    Damn fireman, can't trust em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoYankee View Post
    Thanks for the nice words. U drive a Mazda?
    Wasn't talking about you. Just saying in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLES3658 View Post
    Wasn't talking about you. Just saying in general.
    All good my man. I don’t take any of the interwebs personally.
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