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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    If you dislike Star Wars or the Last Jedi because of its content, you're doing it right. If you dislike it because of the diversity of the cast, you're doing it wrong. Sounds like you're doing it right.

    There are 4 things that had they not been in The Last Jedi, it actually could have been a good movie IMO (the communicator joke in the first scene, Leia's magical space flight, the entire Casino subplot and Rey's cave scene). But I did not like The Force Awakens at all (It was Episode IV again! IMO). I thought Rogue One was very good and Solo was actually decent (better than VII and VIII).

    But for some reason any increased diversity in Hollywood angers a small but vocal group of people. They insist that Hollywood is trying to shove diversity down our throats yet are conveniently silent about how Hollywood has tried for the better part of 70 years to shove a lack of diversity down our throats. People lose their mind that The Human Torch was played by a black guy yet don't care at all that John Wayne once played Ghengis freakin' Khan.
    I agree on some of those points, I just feel that Rian Johnson ignored the previous movie in it's entirety. Fans and non fans alike discussed two main points- who is Snoke, and who are Rey's parents. Some of the fan fiction was actually written out better than the movie itself. Snoke was treated like a joke, and Rey's parents are apparently immaterial. JJ Abrams has about 2.5 hours to answer those questions and attempt to salvage Disney's first trilogy in this universe, it's going to be a tough task.

    I also liked Solo except for two things. One, re-writing Lando as pansexual was stupid. Make the new characters whatever you want, but don't rewrite or do anything to the established characters. Second, they introduced another criminal gang, when they have so many in canon (and more in EU) that they could've explored instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    I agree on some of those points, I just feel that Rian Johnson ignored the previous movie in it's entirety. Fans and non fans alike discussed two main points- who is Snoke, and who are Rey's parents. Some of the fan fiction was actually written out better than the movie itself. Snoke was treated like a joke, and Rey's parents are apparently immaterial. JJ Abrams has about 2.5 hours to answer those questions and attempt to salvage Disney's first trilogy in this universe, it's going to be a tough task.

    I also liked Solo except for two things. One, re-writing Lando as pansexual was stupid. Make the new characters whatever you want, but don't rewrite or do anything to the established characters. Second, they introduced another criminal gang, when they have so many in canon (and more in EU) that they could've explored instead.
    Rian Johnson definitely ignored what JJ Abrams had planned, which is why it's important to have some sort of intellectual continuity to movies with story lines that stretch over multiple movies. And while that is disappointing, considering all the giant plot holes inherent with George Lucas' sole vision in Ep. IV-VI and I-III, it's not out of character for Star Wars films.

    As for Solo, I had no idea Lando was pansexual in the movie. I'm struggling to think of a scene where that was mentioned or stated. But I can't recall the movie with absolute precision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Rian Johnson definitely ignored what JJ Abrams had planned, which is why it's important to have some sort of intellectual continuity to movies with story lines that stretch over multiple movies. And while that is disappointing, considering all the giant plot holes inherent with George Lucas' sole vision in Ep. IV-VI and I-III, it's not out of character for Star Wars films.

    As for Solo, I had no idea Lando was pansexual in the movie. I'm struggling to think of a scene where that was mentioned or stated. But I can't recall the movie with absolute precision.
    It was stated by Jon Kasden after the movie released. They shadowed it with mentions from the droid that Lando was interested in her, and how broken up he was when the droid was destroyed.

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    Yeah, I think much of the lambasting of people being critical of TLJ was a cop-out bunch of nonsense. I was majorly disappointed with it but it had nothing to do with women or minorities being in leading roles (I've really liked the Rey character from the beginning). Def felt like Johnson was trying way too hard to subvert expectations; so much so that it was at the expense of the actual story being told.

    The whole Lando pansexual thing seemed to be overemphasized....by blog writers, fans, and the younger Kasdan (not the movie itself). I had no issues with what was actually shown on screen with that in Solo.

    In terms of some of the other loose gripes mentioned: I had no issue with the Rey cave scene; thought it was kinda cool actually even if it wasn't super enlightening or anything.

    To compare the two movies: I had very low expectations for Solo but found it surprisingly enjoyable, whereas my expectations for TLJ were a bit through the roof and I ended up being completely underwhelmed.

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    I actually keep telling people to watch Solo because I thought it was a fun ride for a movie. It was a very good B action flick.

    Now, is that because our expectations were so low because of The Last Jedi? Or because it was actually a solid movie, all things considered?

    Given how it's so chopped up between the original movie and the reshoots from Ron Howard. I'm actually surprised it turned out to be as entertaining as it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    I actually keep telling people to watch Solo because I thought it was a fun ride for a movie. It was a very good B action flick.

    Now, is that because our expectations were so low because of The Last Jedi? Or because it was actually a solid movie, all things considered?

    Given how it's so chopped up between the original movie and the reshoots from Ron Howard. I'm actually surprised it turned out to be as entertaining as it was.
    Yeah, to me it was a fun movie, nothing that really stands out, but fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    I actually keep telling people to watch Solo because I thought it was a fun ride for a movie. It was a very good B action flick.

    Now, is that because our expectations were so low because of The Last Jedi? Or because it was actually a solid movie, all things considered?

    Given how it's so chopped up between the original movie and the reshoots from Ron Howard. I'm actually surprised it turned out to be as entertaining as it was.
    I'd venture it is somewhere in between these two options.

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