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  1. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekial View Post
    Amen brother, I don't know what it is about Columbian girls (other than being extremely hot) but every time I have love at first sight with a Latina she turns out to be Columbian.
    oh its most of them for me. Or at least no particular country. My ex is literally the devil, and I think about the sex all the time. God she was hot

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Wrong on all 4 accounts.

    When I worked in a township office I made $45k a year, if I went into the private sector I could have started at $75K a year.
    My benefits, no vision, no dental, $100 co-pay, $50,000 deductible. Woo benefits.
    Retirement plan....meh. Local government retirement means pension.
    Job Security? Are you kidding? My position was up for public vote every 2 years if they still wanted the position.
    Great, you eventually made the right move.

    In the big cities and many state employments, the points I made are valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    You referred to professors... not High school teachers. I know **** all about tenure in primary schools. but that doesn't relate to why tenure exists in colleges.

    naive is showing a lack of experience I assure you I understand tenure in colleges and the science it helps create.
    Tenure is tenure. Be it high end professors or low end high school teachers. Once you get tenure you are virtually untouchable in your employment.

    You see it as protecting all this deep thinking research that a small percentage of professors actually do. I se it as protecting jobs that a greater number of educators should not have. Ergo…it may be doing more harm than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Great, you eventually made the right move.

    In the big cities and many state employments, the points I made are valid.
    Not really. Those take a Masters, 10+ years in the field, and a certain payscale level.

    Here's the payscale level difference in my degree field:
    Public: https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listin...=1533923441428
    Private: https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listin...=1533923470075

    BTW I didn't leave for another sector of the same degree field. I went to another career completely.

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    God has this deteriorated into a bunch of whining. Have a drink, it's Friday
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    My dick is named 'Ewing'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeW-Star View Post
    Colombian*

    Don't make that mistake around them. They do not like it. lol
    My bad I swyped it and that's what it came out as, looked like I got what I wanted on first glance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    God has this deteriorated into a bunch of whining. Have a drink, it's Friday
    No shite. Have a couple in fact. Then smoke a fat one while you’re at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Not really. Those take a Masters, 10+ years in the field, and a certain payscale level.

    Here's the payscale level difference in my degree field:
    Public: https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listin...=1533923441428
    Private: https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listin...=1533923470075

    BTW I didn't leave for another sector of the same degree field. I went to another career completely.
    If it's working out, I'm happy for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    God has this deteriorated into a bunch of whining. Have a drink, it's Friday
    Yeah.

    Back on topic…the kid from the Bronx is as dumb as a box of hammers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Tenure is tenure. Be it high end professors or low end high school teachers. Once you get tenure you are virtually untouchable in your employment.

    You see it as protecting all this deep thinking research that a small percentage of professors actually do. I se it as protecting jobs that a greater number of educators should not have. Ergo…it may be doing more harm than good.
    Yeah you don't know ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Tenure is tenure. Be it high end professors or low end high school teachers. Once you get tenure you are virtually untouchable in your employment.

    You see it as protecting all this deep thinking research that a small percentage of professors actually do. I se it as protecting jobs that a greater number of educators should not have. Ergo…it may be doing more harm than good.
    No offense, but this is totally wrong. At least at the high school/middle school/elementary level. Tenure is not a protection from being fired, it is a protection from being fired without cause. If a school system really wants to get rid of a teacher because that teacher is doing a poor job of teaching or managing the classroom, they can. They just have to follow due process and document what went wrong, what was done to fix it and why that didn't work. Schools can get rid of bad teachers if the principal wants to do the work.

    What schools can't do is get rid of teachers just because they feel like it. Things like making too much money, giving the school board member's kid a bad grade, losing too many football games, not starting the right students on the basketball team, being too active in the teacher's association or [this happened at my school] having too messy a classroom.

    Schools would be plantations without protections like tenure.

    That said, you can probably find some examples, mostly in NYC schools, of school systems not being able to fire teachers for seemingly stupid reasons. Most, if not all, of those examples are not tenure related, but the result of local collective bargaining and have nothing to do with the concept of tenure.

    FWIW, k-12 schools do not have 'tenure'. Teachers are classified as non-permanent, semi-permanent or permanent. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but tenure is a word with specific meaning that doesn't apply outside of college, I think.

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    CNN and others are making the same mistake with her as they did with Trump which is giving a candidate a lot of attention in order belittle her and boost their own candidates.
    The thing is, like Trump, some of things she is saying are reasonable. Trump's budget doesn't add up to anything sustainable either but he's not held accountable. She'll gain great support just for the attention she's getting.

    Ben Shapiro isn't all that great either, why doesn't he do a service to the country and run rather than trying to be a propaganda artist? or just simply move out of California?
    Last edited by kevin13697; 08-10-2018 at 04:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyFan View Post
    No offense, but this is totally wrong. At least at the high school/middle school/elementary level. Tenure is not a protection from being fired, it is a protection from being fired without cause. If a school system really wants to get rid of a teacher because that teacher is doing a poor job of teaching or managing the classroom, they can. They just have to follow due process and document what went wrong, what was done to fix it and why that didn't work. Schools can get rid of bad teachers if the principal wants to do the work.

    What schools can't do is get rid of teachers just because they feel like it. Things like making too much money, giving the school board member's kid a bad grade, losing too many football games, not starting the right students on the basketball team, being too active in the teacher's association or [this happened at my school] having too messy a classroom.

    Schools would be plantations without protections like tenure.

    That said, you can probably find some examples, mostly in NYC schools, of school systems not being able to fire teachers for seemingly stupid reasons. Most, if not all, of those examples are not tenure related, but the result of local collective bargaining and have nothing to do with the concept of tenure.

    FWIW, k-12 schools do not have 'tenure'. Teachers are classified as non-permanent, semi-permanent or permanent. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but tenure is a word with specific meaning that doesn't apply outside of college, I think.
    No offense taken.

    However what you are putting out there is union babble.

    Bolded area…in big city school districts the bolded area is virtually impossible to prove and firings are rare. I have a relative in one of the wealthiest school districts in NY. If they ask teachers to help out in what they consider a "non professional area" (hall monitoring, assisting a proctor, student pick up area in weather emergency situations, straightening up the classroom at end of day) tenured teachers just won't do it, non-tenured teachers have to do it.

    And if what you're saying is true i.e. it is a protection from being fired without cause …why do you need tenure at all? Most jobs you can't be fired without cause. You can go to an employment board. Are there that many teachers that would lose their job without tenure…are there that many bad administrators that would unreasonably fire teachers? And if tenure keeps you from getting fired without cause, why don't more industries demand it. Why is tenure prevalent pretty much within the education system? And why is it that teachers nearly go into an orgasmic state when they get tenure…it's because they pretty much have a job for as long as they want it.

    Teachers will never give up tenure and there is a reason for it…it is guaranteed employment. Bad the lower levels. Terrible at the college levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    Yeah you don't know ****.
    Yeah, but you do.

    Right.

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    In more than half the states in the country, you don’t need to be given a reason why you get fired. Missouri just rejected that in Prop A.

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