Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[brett05]

I am the only one that is willing to acknowledge all of it has risk lol. I have said from the start mixing/diversifying is best for this reason.

qft

[MRSpock]

This has nothing to do with today.

Believe it or not investors make bad decisions too and are forced to sell at terrible times. Investing isn't as safe as you're trying to pretend.

I am the only one that is willing to acknowledge all of it has risk lol. I have said from the start mixing/diversifying is best for this reason.

Buying a house is the exact opposite of diversifying.

[MRSpock]

You don't understand the term pertaining to finance.

[mngopher35]

Buying a house is the exact opposite of diversifying.

Doing both strategies would be diversifying compared to doing one of them lol...

You are so stuck on needing to only have one be a valid option but they both are. Both can also fail. You just won't acknowledge the realities around half of it.

[MRSpock]

Doing both strategies would be diversifying compared to doing one of them lol...

You are so stuck on needing to only have one be a valid option but they both are. Both can also fail. You just won't acknowledge the realities around half of it.

No I recognize this. You're the one trying to pawn a house off as being some secure investment. And it's not. It's just as volatile as investing in am index (if not more so) with a smaller chance at any gains.

[mngopher35]

No I recognize this. You're the one trying to pawn a house off as being some secure investment. And it's not. It's just as volatile as investing in am index (if not more so) with a smaller chance at any gains.

I am saying both can be good or bad. You have been the one adamant one is seemingly great the other is not. As shown with actual data that’s not necessarily the case.

I never said a house is necessarily a better investment I just noted it could be. It all depends on the person/situation at hand was my entire point.


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[ewing]

You guys don’t know what to do with money. Give it to me so I can spend it on blow and hookers


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[Crovash]

Not quite the 59% that Ocasio-Cortez proposed back in 2019, but at least relevant to this discussion.

Biden has proposed almost doubling the (capital gains tax) rate to 39.6% for those earning $1 million or more, or approximately 0.3% of taxpayers. Coupled with the existing surtax on investment income, that means federal tax rates for investors could be as high as 43.4%. This would fulfill Biden’s campaign pledge to subject capital gains to the top marginal income-tax rate, which, under his broader tax proposal, would rise to 39.6% from 37% for households with incomes of $400,000 or more. The plan would also end a tax break on inheritances known as “step up in basis,” which wipes out the capital gains tax on assets when the owner dies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-do-quicktake

[brett05]

Not quite the 59% that Ocasio-Cortez proposed back in 2019, but at least relevant to this discussion.

Biden has proposed almost doubling the (capital gains tax) rate to 39.6% for those earning $1 million or more, or approximately 0.3% of taxpayers. Coupled with the existing surtax on investment income, that means federal tax rates for investors could be as high as 43.4%. This would fulfill Biden’s campaign pledge to subject capital gains to the top marginal income-tax rate, which, under his broader tax proposal, would rise to 39.6% from 37% for households with incomes of $400,000 or more. The plan would also end a tax break on inheritances known as “step up in basis,” which wipes out the capital gains tax on assets when the owner dies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-do-quicktake

Is there exemptions for farmers? What about small businesses?

[MRSpock]

I am saying both can be good or bad. You have been the one adamant one is seemingly great the other is not. As shown with actual data that’s not necessarily the case.

I never said a house is necessarily a better investment I just noted it could be. It all depends on the person/situation at hand was my entire point.


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In terms of investment what is the difference between the s&p and a house?

[dbroncos78087]

Is there exemptions for farmers? What about small businesses?

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Since we're talking about personal income taxes, they can always file as a business and pay the corporate income tax rate. It's not our fault if they decide to file their business income as personal income.

[mngopher35]

In terms of investment what is the difference between the s&p and a house?

Houses have value in the property itself rising and ability to generate monthly income via rent. They also have value outside of just the investment aspect itself that we have covered. As well as giving a place to live so you aren't paying $ for rent each month that is not gaining anything investment wise. There will also be additional costs to maintain/upgrade but those factors can come back in the properties total value long term too.

The S&P is a market index and you can invest in index funds based on it. You will be getting a ROI based on the fund you choose I guess.

[brett05]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Since we're talking about personal income taxes, they can always file as a business and pay the corporate income tax rate. It's not our fault if they decide to file their business income as personal income.

Not sure the plusses and minuses for farmers on that one.

[MRSpock]

[QUOTE=mngopher35;33963383]
https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/VOO/...4iOm51bGx9XX0-

There it's is. I can't find the more interactive graph....

I see the s&p as a long term asset. Just like most people look at a house. And my asset will be worth more. Based and annual average in the long term. There's no getting around that.

[MRSpock]

The s&p WILL spike more. But at the end of the day if you look at these as long term value one is clearly better.