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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I don't believe the military is evil in itself but that war is about terrorizing the enemy populations and destroying countries that include children, babes, elderly getting killed. War is evil because evil things are done to innocents.

    Those Blackwater people didn't identify the enemy and just shot up a crowd of people like gang bangers. That is what happens in wars and makes our leaders' decisions to lied us into invading Iraq evil.

    Once again, no one here is dissing our military, but on how it is used. Having a military is great. It prevents people from invading you. You should take more time and reflect on what you read before you go off the handle.
    Baloney. There are several people here that are dissing our military. And you are completely wrong about the notion that WAR IS EVIL. Evil is the people who force a country to use WAR to stop them from the evil that they cause in the world. And when a person calls the military a bunch of baby killers, murderers, and worse, they are calling the soldiers who fight in those wars baby killers, murderers, and worse. I was called that and many of my brothers were also accused of that and I really resent it.

    So don't even begin to try and lecture me to "reflect on what I read before I FLY OFF THE HANDLE". I have no problem reading and comprehending what is said. Those four soldiers were attacked and with the rules of engagement that they had had every right to defend themselves and were not the damned "GANGBANGERS" that you obscenely called them. All four of these fellows were decorated veterans of the US military. All were NCOs in the US military. Thse were not F'ing "GANGBANGERS. Shame on you for that label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You need better sources. She is an American.


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    Yeah. She is a American citizen. She also is a Somali Moslem by birth and religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    And when a person calls the military a bunch of baby killers, murderers, and worse, they are calling the soldiers who fight in those wars baby killers, murderers, and worse.
    It's not really about the military. Its ANYONE who knowingly and purposefully kills civilians.

    It could be the US military. It could be al Qaeda. It could be Chinese army. It could be African Sudanese militants.

    The group one belongs to really plays no role in killing babies, it's the action of killing babies which does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Goody. Good to know that to lamely call someone a racist doesn't result in a suspension. Perhaps what should happen though, is that when someone does this kind of "stuff" they themselves should get banned. After all, it is slander when you think about it.
    It would be libel.

    And I think that people who don’t want to be caulked racist shouldn’t say or write racist things. You wrote some racist stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Baloney. There are several people here that are dissing our military. And you are completely wrong about the notion that WAR IS EVIL. Evil is the people who force a country to use WAR to stop them from the evil that they cause in the world. And when a person calls the military a bunch of baby killers, murderers, and worse, they are calling the soldiers who fight in those wars baby killers, murderers, and worse. I was called that and many of my brothers were also accused of that and I really resent it.

    So don't even begin to try and lecture me to "reflect on what I read before I FLY OFF THE HANDLE". I have no problem reading and comprehending what is said. Those four soldiers were attacked and with the rules of engagement that they had had every right to defend themselves and were not the damned "GANGBANGERS" that you obscenely called them. All four of these fellows were decorated veterans of the US military. All were NCOs in the US military. Thse were not F'ing "GANGBANGERS. Shame on you for that label.
    Being a soldier does not preclude one from being an *******.

    I respect the hell out of our military. I also think we spend way too much money on it and utilize a fair number of people who do not represent nor defend the country I believe America should be.

    All of what you said is from a certain perspective. We are not the good guys by default. And we are routinely the bad guy in our last 60-70 years of conflict. Perhaps we should revisit why American soldiers have gotten the negative stigma that they have (earned).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Baloney. There are several people here that are dissing our military. And you are completely wrong about the notion that WAR IS EVIL. Evil is the people who force a country to use WAR to stop them from the evil that they cause in the world. And when a person calls the military a bunch of baby killers, murderers, and worse, they are calling the soldiers who fight in those wars baby killers, murderers, and worse. I was called that and many of my brothers were also accused of that and I really resent it.

    So don't even begin to try and lecture me to "reflect on what I read before I FLY OFF THE HANDLE". I have no problem reading and comprehending what is said. Those four soldiers were attacked and with the rules of engagement that they had had every right to defend themselves and were not the damned "GANGBANGERS" that you obscenely called them. All four of these fellows were decorated veterans of the US military. All were NCOs in the US military. Thse were not F'ing "GANGBANGERS. Shame on you for that label.
    The silly person thinks wars are like a John Wayne war movie. I had a friend who can back from the Vietnam war messed up in the head from the horrors of war. He wasn't the only one. Bad things happen. Children's hospitals get bombed or shelled. Innocents die. Look at the civilian causality list from WW II or Indian-American war. Babies get killed, soldiers panic under fire, and not everybody is suited for war so atrocities happen. Wake up, evil and inhumane things happen in Wars on both sides of the conflict. That is why it should always be the last resort. Protecting life, family, and home. As a Christian, I hope I am never put in that position.

    War is evil. Killing is killing no matter the reason. There are no gotta damn "buts" in the Ten Commandments. No wonder our kids come back messed up from wars. We bring them up one way and then tell them at a young age to do the exact opposite. Killing should be the most extreme option. Lately, our government getting to slap happy with using it. A war/armed conflict that lasts a generation?

    If I am not mistaking, the four soldiers you are talking about were contractors working for Blackwater. They were mercenaries. Children were killed, the youngest being around seven years old. Families were shot. These guys shoot indiscriminately into a crowd. Sounds like gangbangers to me. Don't make it like I was calling our soldiers that when I was talking about these Blackwater mercenaries. That is what I mean by flying off the handle.
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    Wars have been with us since the beginning of time.

    Wars are here now.

    Wars will be here in the future.

    There is no such thing as a nice war.

    It is just how humans are wired. Simple fact. All we can di is live with it as best we can.



    Best modern day illustration of how ridiculous wars are………

    China has about 1.5 billion people, a huge economy, good wealth, a powerful military yet they may some day go to war over an inconsequential island off its coast.. It would be to the benefit of everyone on the planet if China will just accept Taiwan as a separate country, but thewy never will and someday millions could die over this ridiculous point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    It would be libel.

    And I think that people who don’t want to be caulked racist shouldn’t say or write racist things. You wrote some racist stuff.
    Bullcrap I did. I care less if you call me a racist, Bub. You don't own the license to label anyone racist. That one of the problems in the world today namely that many really ignorant people who cannot argue facts resort to insulting the other person.

    Look, I don't know you. I don't know if you are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an Islander and I don't care what your religion is.I was taught to treat people as they come to you. To be fair and honest with them. In the military this was drummed home to me in spades within my combat unit where we had every race represented and they were your brothers in arms.

    But I am also not going to take **** from anyone who doesn't know a damned thing about me and my history calling me a racist. Screw that if that is what you are going to call me. Got it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Bullcrap I did. I care less if you call me a racist, Bub. You don't own the license to label anyone racist. That one of the problems in the world today namely that many really ignorant people who cannot argue facts resort to insulting the other person.

    Look, I don't know you. I don't know if you are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an Islander and I don't care what your religion is.I was taught to treat people as they come to you. To be fair and honest with them. In the military this was drummed home to me in spades within my combat unit where we had every race represented and they were your brothers in arms.

    But I am also not going to take **** from anyone who doesn't know a damned thing about me and my history calling me a racist. Screw that if that is what you are going to call me. Got it?
    So it's just part of the performance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Bullcrap I did. I care less if you call me a racist, Bub. You don't own the license to label anyone racist. That one of the problems in the world today namely that many really ignorant people who cannot argue facts resort to insulting the other person.

    Look, I don't know you. I don't know if you are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an Islander and I don't care what your religion is.I was taught to treat people as they come to you. To be fair and honest with them. In the military this was drummed home to me in spades within my combat unit where we had every race represented and they were your brothers in arms.

    But I am also not going to take **** from anyone who doesn't know a damned thing about me and my history calling me a racist. Screw that if that is what you are going to call me. Got it?
    You know nothing of fairness or honesty. From my vantage point, all you're capable of doing is regurgitating far right talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    You know nothing of fairness or honesty. From my vantage point, all you're capable of doing is regurgitating far right talking points.
    I’ll probably get a demerit, but I couldn’t resist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Bullcrap I did. I care less if you call me a racist, Bub. You don't own the license to label anyone racist. That one of the problems in the world today namely that many really ignorant people who cannot argue facts resort to insulting the other person.

    Look, I don't know you. I don't know if you are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an Islander and I don't care what your religion is.I was taught to treat people as they come to you. To be fair and honest with them. In the military this was drummed home to me in spades within my combat unit where we had every race represented and they were your brothers in arms.

    But I am also not going to take **** from anyone who doesn't know a damned thing about me and my history calling me a racist. Screw that if that is what you are going to call me. Got it?
    You are so full of ****. If you don't care about what religion someone is why continue to bring up Omar being a Muslim.

    You can't argue facts, with someone who makes their own facts up.

    And quit playing the victim ya cry baby. He never said anything about your history. He said you said racist ****. Whatever your history is, is irrelevant. You don't get a pass on being a racist now, because you did something not racist sometime in that past.

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    And for the record, I could care less if any of you were or are in the military. That doesn't bring credence to your points. IT doesn't make you a good person. It doesn't make your opinion worth more. I got friends in the military that are high ranking, and some of the most honorable men I know. I got friends that are in the military, and are giants pieces of ****, and their job is to chase animals off old government property.

    Quit grandstanding. It's so ****ing stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    Bullcrap I did. I care less if you call me a racist, Bub. You don't own the license to label anyone racist. That one of the problems in the world today namely that many really ignorant people who cannot argue facts resort to insulting the other person.

    Look, I don't know you. I don't know if you are white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an Islander and I don't care what your religion is.I was taught to treat people as they come to you. To be fair and honest with them. In the military this was drummed home to me in spades within my combat unit where we had every race represented and they were your brothers in arms.

    But I am also not going to take **** from anyone who doesn't know a damned thing about me and my history calling me a racist. Screw that if that is what you are going to call me. Got it?
    Wow!!!

    Sounds like I wrote this.

    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Wars have been with us since the beginning of time.

    Wars are here now.

    Wars will be here in the future.

    There is no such thing as a nice war.

    It is just how humans are wired. Simple fact. All we can di is live with it as best we can.



    Best modern day illustration of how ridiculous wars are………

    China has about 1.5 billion people, a huge economy, good wealth, a powerful military yet they may some day go to war over an inconsequential island off its coast.. It would be to the benefit of everyone on the planet if China will just accept Taiwan as a separate country, but thewy never will and someday millions could die over this ridiculous point.
    Kinda like US and Cuba? [emoji849][emoji849]

    lmao!

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