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  1. #5791
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    Trump was a reality TV host known only for being a corrupt grifting was racist dubious businessman, wonder if that “kid” heading the most powerful nation of the world with...literally no months in office or experience was too hard a pill to swallow for our resident minority loathing geezer who seems to forget what the deal actually is lol. This is such a ****ing nothing problem. It’s almost like it’s really about something else.

    That doesn’t even get into what his even less qualified (almost impossible to imagine) children were gifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browski234 View Post
    Trump was a reality TV host known only for being a corrupt grifting was racist dubious businessman, wonder if that “kid” heading the most powerful nation of the world with...literally no months in office or experience was too hard a pill to swallow for our resident minority loathing geezer who seems to forget what the deal actually is lol. This is such a ****ing nothing problem. It’s almost like it’s really about something else.

    That doesn’t even get into what his even less qualified (almost impossible to imagine) children were gifted.
    I don't know how to respond to that.

    Well…maybe I do:

    in·co·her·ent | ˌinkōˈhirənt |
    adjective
    1 (of spoken or written language) expressed in an incomprehensible or confusing way; unclear
    • (of a person) unable to speak intelligibly
    • (of an ideology, policy, or system) internally inconsistent

    And someone suggested that I should drink less.

    Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I don't know how to respond to that.

    Well…maybe I do:

    in·co·her·ent | ˌinkōˈhirənt |
    adjective
    1 (of spoken or written language) expressed in an incomprehensible or confusing way; unclear
    • (of a person) unable to speak intelligibly
    • (of an ideology, policy, or system) internally inconsistent

    And someone suggested that I should drink less.

    Right!
    What he said

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    Why do you think she is?
    Because I have political beliefs and she is more closely aligned with my political beliefs than 95% of Democrats. And she has been one of the 2-3 best advocates for those beliefs since she's taken office. A time where the popularity of her most-discussed policies has done nothing but grow.

    Pretty simple.
    HELLO

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    I heard she’s a millennial


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    My dick is named 'Ewing'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    1. I don't think you guys realize how ****ing difficult it is to pass a Health reform bill. It's a historic achievement.
    2. What comments about conservatism?
    3. Defund the police? Maybe the polling that shows 24% of voters find it positive. Or the fact Max Rose lost his election by 15 points because the GOP pushed adds saying he was anti cop. It's clearly the GOP's strategy for taking the swing states next election. Why does there have to be a hidden agenda when the truth is blatantly obvious?
    4. It really does seem like you love railing on him. What is wrong with drones? I mean you wont a non interventionalist policy right? Isn't that your problem with Obama? What is specifically detrimental about the use of drones?
    1. I do realize. How many times do I have to say that I realize these are all political longshots? That isn't a good argument against why I shouldn't support the best healthcare option possible. A system that many, many, many other countries employ. Something Democrats and Republicans fight tooth and nail against because a lot of their rich donors wouldn't be as rich if it happened. So instead we have a system that is insanely expensive, doesn't cover everyone and encourages people to not regularly see doctors!

    Everything is a longshot until it isn't. A lot fewer things would be if Democrats were bold and fought for good things. Tried to win and shape the public discourse. Didn't spend 4 years shouting "RUSSIA!" and instead focused on promoting policy and showing the people how they are better off if they vote for Democrats. Giving them a reason. But we're basically still at "Trump bad".

    I hope to hell Biden fights harder because I fear that he's going to pivot towards austerity and I know what that means for elections in 2 and 4 years.

    2. Obama's recent interview which, among other things, he defends his foreign policy, drone strikes, fiscal conservatism and conservative health care bill. And obviously his garbage response to the issue of policing. The man wants to fund police even more. Still.

    3. I don't care what the polls say. I don't decide what's right and wrong based on polling. I know how much money our communities are spending on policing and how it's not making anyone safer. I say a video yesterday of like 10 policemen showing up to evict a family, including infants, from a house. Why the **** do we need 10 policemen showing up to do that? Showing up for mental health check ups. Parking on the sides of roads for 4 hours trying to catch people going 10mph the speed limit. If you don't like "defund the police" we can try "abolish the police" instead. It's not rocket science. Why can't we seek to make community policing more nuanced and well-equipped to handle things that don't require violence without the threat of violence? Again, if so many center/right Democrats weren't always so content with letting Republicans shape this narrative, maybe we'd see change. Nope. "Snappy slogan" is all we get from them. Dude couldn't even explain what "defund the police" actually means. He just had to punch left.

    4. You haven't been around long. My posts on this site with regards to Obama since I've been here are probably 95% positive and 5% negative. That ratio is closing FAST, but for obvious reasons. Look where we are now?
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    HELLO

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    I admit that I did not internalize a whole lot from my early exposure to religious teachings, but one thing I remember comes from the civil rights movement (the church’s youth director was active in it).

    She said, “We are not called to be successful; we are called to be faithful.”

    I believe strongly that important things often get done because of earlier efforts by those visionaries who had little or no chance of getting them done, but who still were willing to lay the groundwork for later success. I am not trying to lionize Ocasio-Cortez (nor I am denigrating Pelosi) because I don’t really know if she’s in it for the long haul, but so far — despite her missteps — she seems to have approached her job and her mission with some palpable integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I admit that I did not internalize a whole lot from my early exposure to religious teachings, but one thing I remember comes from the civil rights movement (the church’s youth director was active in it).

    She said, “We are not called to be successful; we are called to be faithful.”

    I believe strongly that important things often get done because of earlier efforts by those visionaries who had little or no chance of getting them done, but who still were willing to lay the groundwork for later success. I am not trying to lionize Ocasio-Cortez (nor I am denigrating Pelosi) because I don’t really know if she’s in it for the long haul, but so far — despite her missteps — she seems to have approached her job and her mission with some palpable integrity.
    You are giving AOC way too much credit. You can have integrity and still be an idiot.

    I think sh fervently believes in all her silly ideas; I don't think she is bright enough to realize that they are silly, unrealistic and unattainable. But they all sound great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You are giving AOC way too much credit. You can have integrity and still be an idiot.

    I think sh fervently believes in all her silly ideas; I don't think she is bright enough to realize that they are silly, unrealistic and unattainable. But they all sound great.
    You can also have no integrity and also be stupid, like basically every politician you support.

    Luckily she's neither.

    You've made 620 posts in this thread trying to tell us she's dumb and ineffective. Clearly her incompetence speaks for itself
    HELLO

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    Quote Originally Posted by browski234 View Post
    Trump was a reality TV host known only for being a corrupt grifting was racist dubious businessman, wonder if that “kid” heading the most powerful nation of the world with...literally no months in office or experience was too hard a pill to swallow for our resident minority loathing geezer who seems to forget what the deal actually is lol. This is such a ****ing nothing problem. It’s almost like it’s really about something else.

    That doesn’t even get into what his even less qualified (almost impossible to imagine) children were gifted.
    Holy crap, Batman. Take a valium or something. You're babbling worse than Biden on his worse day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You are giving AOC way too much credit. You can have integrity and still be an idiot.

    I think sh fervently believes in all her silly ideas; I don't think she is bright enough to realize that they are silly, unrealistic and unattainable. But they all sound great.
    That's right I think. She isn't stupid. She's pretty bright. Hell, a lot of kids coming out of college after being indoctrinated by socialist cretins are just brainwashed but it doesn't mean that they are bright. Colleges and universities have become a nest of spiders that capture young minds in their web of falsity. Now the socialists want to create more legions of poison spiders with "free" education. Expect the working folks, though, to PAY for that socialist education. Its a bunch of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Prey View Post
    That's right I think. She isn't stupid. She's pretty bright. Hell, a lot of kids coming out of college after being indoctrinated by socialist cretins are just brainwashed but it doesn't mean that they are bright. Colleges and universities have become a nest of spiders that capture young minds in their web of falsity. Now the socialists want to create more legions of poison spiders with "free" education. Expect the working folks, though, to PAY for that socialist education. Its a bunch of crap.
    Thanks for the input, Joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You are giving AOC way too much credit. You can have integrity and still be an idiot.

    I think sh fervently believes in all her silly ideas; I don't think she is bright enough to realize that they are silly, unrealistic and unattainable. But they all sound great.
    So, you actually think her ideas sound great? So do I. Maybe, just maybe, if enough of us agree as we do, then they can come closer to being attainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    So, you actually think her ideas sound great? So do I. Maybe, just maybe, if enough of us agree as we do, then they can come closer to being attainable.
    Sure.

    Everyone having a nice house would sound great……no going to happen.

    Everyone having nice 3 course meals for dinner ever night would sound great……not going to happen.

    She's like John Lennon singing Imagine……sounds great but will never happen.

    Or all those kids on the side of the mountain (such diversity) looking for perfect harmony and give everyone a coke……sounds great but will never happen.

    USA for Africa……raised $$$, solved nothing,

    At least Lennon and those kids didn't cost us anything.

    AOC could cost us trillions……and she wouldn't even realize it.

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    The America you describe sounds like ****. A poor *** country that can't do anything good.

    "AOC could cost us trillions". Says the guy who surely supported the wars. Surely supported all the tax cuts for the rich. That stuff is fine. But don't
    you DARE suggest we spend that money on worthwhile things instead.

    She ain't gonna cost you anything. Or me. All you do is bootlick the elites you pretend to dislike. Always running with the corporatist mottos. Doing the bidding of the billionaires. Jeff Bezos ain't gonna **** you!
    HELLO

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