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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Of course a Doctor shouldn’t acquiesce to any demand for medication a patient has. But if you start to vilify Doctors be careful, less people are going to want to be a Doctor. This isn’t a Doctor problem of prescribing medications patients are demanding, it’s a human nature problem.
    It can be both

    Not every doctor is bad just like not every cop is bad or every politician is bad or every _____ is bad. I get that and hate that game for sure, I probably could be more careful here if you think that's what I am saying. That doesn't mean there aren't very real issues though that as a whole need to be taken care of where these professions matter/have responsibility. In this case the logical issue comes down to their specific responsibility and I am calling that aspect out.

    Human nature explains why a lot of bad/criminal things happen though doesn't it? I don't think that's a valid excuse for a really poor system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    A slightly different slant on the pharma advertising ... drug companies are regularly criticized for the costs of the medication. I large amount of that money is going to pay for advertising. A doctor told me their rep said about 50% of the cost of the "first run" drugs is paying for the advertising to the public and the doctors. They like to say that it's about the R&D, and sure the R&D and the testing is VERY expensive, but it's not that.

    It's like the lie the record companies and the movie/TV studios tell about the costs of things. Oh, your record hasn't broken even yet despite selling 1 million copies. Movie's often spend more on advertising than the movie costs, sometimes several times more. It's BS "creative accounting".

    Inform doctors of new drugs available ... inform, don't wine, dine, and bribe them. Then it is your doctor's responsibility to prescribe them to you. They are literally putting their name on it and we are acting like the patients are the experts.

    Does ANYBODY believe that drugs being advertised LOWERS the cost of health care?
    I don't think anyone believes the point of advertising/marketing in general is to lower the cost of products.

    If the goal is to lower costs we can start with Bernie's plan, studies showed that would save the country some $$$ and get everyone covered.

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    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...e-201601289060

    "While these measures would certainly help, the reality is that doctors have relatively little training in safely managing chronic pain and treating addiction. Whether in medical school or in residency training, very little curricular time is devoted to helping doctors safely prescribe pain medications, recognize patients at high risk for overdose, intervene when patients need to be taken off of opioids, and adequately treat opioid addiction. As such, a critical component in reducing the overprescribing of opioid medications is for medical schools and residency programs to improve how doctors are educated."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/10/the-...the-signs.html
    "But even legitimate, well-intentioned doctors can fall into the overprescription trap. A study last year by the National Safety Council found 99 percent of the doctors surveyed were prescribing highly addictive opioids for longer than the three-day period recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-overprescribe



    There are tons of reasons this is happening outside of simply doctors are bad but it is also a huge problem that we can't just write off to not hurt their feelings. I think it would be pretty similar to people talking about more training for cops, holding them responsible for their actions, and so on. The issue is far bigger than advertisement and I think it is different than something like cigarettes in that the drugs actually do help people/not hurt if used correctly and people knowing about them could actually be beneficial to some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    I'm totally ok with it. I can't remember a single time that I saw an opioid based medication advertised on TV. Actually, I'm pretty certain I haven't.

    Every commercial about prescriptions are for drugs that treat a disease, which allows the consumer with a disease to ask their doctor questions about medication options.

    It's not like someone can watch a commercial and obtain that medication without being first consulted by a medical professional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    I'm totally ok with it. I can't remember a single time that I saw an opioid based medication advertised on TV. Actually, I'm pretty certain I haven't.

    Every commercial about prescriptions are for drugs that treat a disease, which allows the consumer with a disease to ask their doctor questions about medication options.

    It's not like someone can watch a commercial and obtain that medication without being first consulted by a medical professional.
    They put adds for drugs on TV and people doctor shop till they find someone who will just give it to them.

    They didn't advertise opioids to you... they advertised them to doctors, and they misrepresented the science to make it look like they were "safer." Rx opioid prescriptions trippled from 90 to 2015. Rxes for oxy increased by a factor of 10. You want to throw up in your mouth a bit.. Read this.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...74/pdf/221.pdf

    Some choice bits
    From 1996 to 2001, Purdue conducted more than 40 national pain-management and speakertraining conferences at resorts in Florida, Arizona, and California. More than 5000 physicians, pharmacists, and nurses attended these all-expenses-paid symposia, where they were recruited and trained for Purdue’s national speaker bureau.1
    Purdue trained its sales representatives to carry the message that the risk of addiction was ‘‘less than one percent.’’
    Prescription drug abuse in a substantial minority of chronic-pain patients has been
    demonstrated in studies by Fishbain et al. (3%–18% of patients),53 Hoffman et al. (23%),54 Kouyanou et al. (12%),55 Chabal et al. (34%),56 Katz et al. (43%),57 Reid et al. (24%–31%),58 and Michna et al. (45%).
    In general the TV ads help to make people think the answers to their problems are drugs not behavior. That's all ****ed.
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    Thanks Flips


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    I still want to know why he is so incredibly adamant about protecting the health insurance industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    Well... not completely capitalist.

    I still don't think those numbers are going to add up.

    From a health standpoint you have one huge flaw. There is no financial incentive for preventative care. Right now there is, insurance companies build that **** into the costs. Insurance companies will often charge you bupkiss for those procedures (because they save money). They front the cost to save on you later. So in the end you are going to increase costs by not preventing illness. I'm sure there could be a way to fix this somehow... but it will be complex.
    I literally just went off on this subject last night to my wife's Dad, also roping in the fact that people who take care of themselves see zero monetary benefit when it comes to premiums.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    I literally just went off on this subject last night to my wife's Dad, also roping in the fact that people who take care of themselves see zero monetary benefit when it comes to premiums.
    They do in the system I proposed.

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    AOC has a habit of talking about anything and everything. curious to see if she replies and what she has to say about this. I don't know where this video came from but it's hilarious.



    socialism is short for social media. 3 of the most successful countries in the world are socialists.. Venezuela, Facebook, and Twitter.



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    Remember that time she said windmills cause cancer. What a dumb broad

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    AOC has a habit of talking about anything and everything. curious to see if she replies and what she has to say about this. I don't know where this video came from but it's hilarious.



    socialism is short for social media. 3 of the most successful countries in the world are socialists.. Venezuela, Facebook, and Twitter.

    Using children as political props. Disgusting


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    They do in the system I proposed.
    can you link me (or just tell me the post #) to that post?

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    I literally just went off on this subject last night to my wife's Dad, also roping in the fact that people who take care of themselves see zero monetary benefit when it comes to premiums.
    A lot of insurance companies will give rebates for going to the gym. Smokers and obese folks will deal with increased premiums. They really should flip it, if you go get a test and you have no nicotine or cotinine in your system you should get a non-smoker discount. Everyone should start at the higher price so we can see the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Using children as political props. Disgusting


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    Using children as political joke props. And it's not even funny. Disgusting.

    Seriously the comedy police should come arrest her parents.

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