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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    I'm totally ok with it. I can't remember a single time that I saw an opioid based medication advertised on TV. Actually, I'm pretty certain I haven't.

    Every commercial about prescriptions are for drugs that treat a disease, which allows the consumer with a disease to ask their doctor questions about medication options.

    It's not like someone can watch a commercial and obtain that medication without being first consulted by a medical professional.
    Do you think there is any correlation between us being one of the only countries who allow such advertising and the fact we use more medication than any other country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Do you think there is any correlation between us being one of the only countries who allow such advertising and the fact we use more medication than any other country?
    Nope. Blame the doctor, not the TV. Do you really think people are seeing an advertisement then picking up the medication the next day without a doctor's prescription?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Nope. Blame the doctor, not the TV. Do you really think people are seeing an advertisement then picking up the medication the next day without a doctor's prescription?
    No, but those same companies are also advertising to Doctors and giving incentives to prescribe their products. Bad Doctors, but also bad Pharma companies. More than one person or thing can be responsible for a problem.

    I’m always baffled by people who think advertising has no effect on people’s habits. If that were the case, why the heck would any company do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    No, but those same companies are also advertising to Doctors and giving incentives to prescribe their products. Bad Doctors, but also bad Pharma companies. More than one person or thing can be responsible for a problem.

    I’m always baffled by people who think advertising has no effect on people’s habits. If that were the case, why the heck would any company do it?
    I never said that, but you can't pick and choose how can or can't advertise. It's all or nothing.

    At some point the consumer need to be held accountable for their actions.

    Let's take McD as a perfect example. One of the unhealthiest things you can put in your body. Are you wanting to ban their advertising too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    I never said that, but you can't pick and choose how can or can't advertise. It's all or nothing.

    At some point the consumer need to be held accountable for their actions.

    Let's take McD as a perfect example. One of the unhealthiest things you can put in your body. Are you wanting to ban their advertising too?
    We absolutely can choose how we can or can’t advertise. Just ask cigarettes. Do you think they should be allowed to have TV commercials again?

    As for McDonald’s, I think sugary and unhealthy foods should not be allowed to advertise to kids so freely. And there’s no doubt that he industries efforts are a big reason why America is so fat.

    If you don’t have a problem with how many pills we take or how fat we are as a country, at least your position is consistent. But I see a lot of people complaining about both yet they don’t want to take any steps to correct those problems in society. So I don’t take their complaints seriously (I don’t mean you here unless that is your belief).

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    We absolutely can choose how we can or can’t advertise. Just ask cigarettes. Do you think they should be allowed to have TV commercials again?

    As for McDonald’s, I think sugary and unhealthy foods should not be allowed to advertise to kids so freely. And there’s no doubt that he industries efforts are a big reason why America is so fat.

    If you don’t have a problem with how many pills we take or how fat we are as a country, at least your position is consistent. But I see a lot of people complaining about both yet they don’t want to take any steps to correct those problems in society. So I don’t take their complaints seriously (I don’t mean you here unless that is your belief).
    I actually agree with dbroncs here. To me it is like blaming media/fake news for our government/politics related issues. Like we can acknowledge it is an issue that people should be wary of but at the same time it isn't actually the problem causing key issues. I have experience here and would not know of lyrica or many other types of pills if not for actual doctors. I see the commercials now and may have before but had no idea about the product until it was prescribed. The problem has very little to do with advertisement because with or without it all the issues still exist (it inflames actual issues but the cause/root/true issue is there either way most often).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    I actually agree with dbroncs here. To me it is like blaming media/fake news for our government/politics related issues. Like we can acknowledge it is an issue that people should be wary of but at the same time it isn't actually the problem causing key issues. I have experience here and would not know of lyrica or many other types of pills if not for actual doctors. I see the commercials now and may have before but had no idea about the product until it was prescribed. The problem has very little to do with advertisement because with or without it all the issues still exist (it inflames actual issues but the cause/root/true issue is there either way most often).
    How about not blaming fake news for our government, but blaming fake news for fake news? Same principle here. Even you admit advertising exacerbates the issue. It definitely contributes to why we consume more medication than any other country on earth.

    So when people complain of a drug addicted culture who does nothing but pops pills and then absolves pharma if any responsibility for that culture, we don’t have a drug problem, we have a cognitive dissonance problem.

    Again, why does any company advertise if it has no effect? Companies spend billions on advertising. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    How about not blaming fake news for our government, but blaming fake news for fake news? Same principle here. Even you admit advertising exacerbates the issue. It definitely contributes to why we consume more medication than any other country on earth.

    So when people complain of a drug addicted culture who does nothing but pops pills and then absolves pharma if any responsibility for that culture, we don’t have a drug problem, we have a cognitive dissonance problem.

    Again, why does any company advertise if it has no effect? Companies spend billions on advertising. Why?
    Exactly.

    Lyrica probably does help some people, why shouldn't it be advertised? The issue isn't it is advertised it is that doctors are pushing it either way to patients who probably don't need it. Whether that advertisement happens is essentially irrelevant to me but could actually help others in need.

    The issue is doctors are using the pills etc. as solve all or in my case a I don't really know try this pain med. The medicine might not be an issue, the advertising might not be an issue, but the doctor prescribing it to people who might not need it? Well that's the issue.

    Advertising is fine though if the company is legitimate. If the company isn't legitimate then the issue is actually with the law/company not said advertisement. I am not saying all advertisement is good or media is good I am just saying that's all they are is ways to market things to people. If there are issues with products etc. it isn't the advertisement/marketing fault it is the actual products fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    We absolutely can choose how we can or can’t advertise. Just ask cigarettes. Do you think they should be allowed to have TV commercials again?

    As for McDonald’s, I think sugary and unhealthy foods should not be allowed to advertise to kids so freely. And there’s no doubt that he industries efforts are a big reason why America is so fat.

    If you don’t have a problem with how many pills we take or how fat we are as a country, at least your position is consistent. But I see a lot of people complaining about both yet they don’t want to take any steps to correct those problems in society. So I don’t take their complaints seriously (I don’t mean you here unless that is your belief).
    Lol. Again, I never said that. Not even close I live in MO, I see the fat people everywhere. I'm just sick and tired of people blaming everyone but themselves. At some point, personal accountability needs to be taken into consideration.

    Cigarettes, c'mon man. If someone doesn't know by now that smoking is among the absolute worse decisions you can make as an individual, then someone between that individual and their parents have failed big time.

    Listen, I have a disease and to be 100% honest, a commercial is what made me ask my doctor about the new generation meds that treat it. If it wasn't for that commercial, there is a good possibility I'd still be struggling with it.

    At some point, the individual needs to take accountability. It seems like you think the accountability starts with everyone but the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Lol. Again, I never said that. Not even close I live in MO, I see the fat people everywhere. I'm just sick and tired of people blaming everyone but themselves. At some point, personal accountability needs to be taken into consideration.

    Cigarettes, c'mon man. If someone doesn't know by now that smoking is among the absolute worse decisions you can make as an individual, then someone between that individual and their parents have failed big time.

    Listen, I have a disease and to be 100% honest, a commercial is what made me ask my doctor about the new generation meds that treat it. If it wasn't for that commercial, there is a good possibility I'd still be struggling with it.

    At some point, the individual needs to take accountability. It seems like you think the accountability starts with everyone but the individual.
    You never answered my question: do you think cigarettes should be able to advertise on TV?

    I think accountability starts with the individual. I also think if your solution to soceital problems is to do nothing and say “personal responsibility” nothing will ever change.

    I think rehab works better to stop drug addiction than saying “personal responsibility”. I think sex Ed works better than saying “personal responsibility”, I think financial planning works better than saying “personal responsibility”.

    AAt the end of the day, everything comes down to a level of personal responsibility, but that doesn’t’t mean the solution to every problem is “do nothing and say personal responsibility”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Exactly.

    Lyrica probably does help some people, why shouldn't it be advertised? The issue isn't it is advertised it is that doctors are pushing it either way to patients who probably don't need it. Whether that advertisement happens is essentially irrelevant to me but could actually help others in need.

    The issue is doctors are using the pills etc. as solve all or in my case a I don't really know try this pain med. The medicine might not be an issue, the advertising might not be an issue, but the doctor prescribing it to people who might not need it? Well that's the issue.

    Advertising is fine though if the company is legitimate. If the company isn't legitimate then the issue is actually with the law/company not said advertisement. I am not saying all advertisement is good or media is good I am just saying that's all they are is ways to market things to people. If there are issues with products etc. it isn't the advertisement/marketing fault it is the actual products fault.
    Do you think pharma advertising to Doctors and pushing them to prescribe their products contributed to that or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    You never answered my question: do you think cigarettes should be able to advertise on TV?

    I think accountability starts with the individual. I also think if your solution to soceital problems is to do nothing and say “personal responsibility” nothing will ever change.

    I think rehab works better to stop drug addiction than saying “personal responsibility”. I think sex Ed works better than saying “personal responsibility”, I think financial planning works better than saying “personal responsibility”.

    AAt the end of the day, everything comes down to a level of personal responsibility, but that doesn’t’t mean the solution to every problem is “do nothing and say personal responsibility”
    What drug addiction happens from an advertisement? Give me one.

    No, cigarettes should not be advertised just like opioid based pain killers shouldn't be. And neither of them are. What's your point?

    It's hilarious how you're twisting my comments by asking about things that don't already exist.

    If you think a Bud Light commercial turned someone into an alcoholic, I'm gonna say you're wrong.

    If you think a McD commercial caused someone to be obese, I'm gonna say you're wrong again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    What drug addiction happens from an advertisement? Give me one.

    No, cigarettes should not be advertised just like opioid based pain killers shouldn't be. And neither of them are. What's your point?

    It's hilarious how you're twisting my comments by asking about things that don't already exist.
    Big Pharma just settled a lawsuit for falsely advertising their opioid medications as non addictive as a means to increase their prescriptions. How many people do you think got addicted to Opioids they were told was not addictive?

    Why shouldn’t cigarettes and opioids be allowed to be advertised on TV? The ads aren’t the problem right? People should be able to exercise some personal responsibility and just not buy the cigarettes they see in advertisements. Why doesn’t accountability start with the individual in this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Big Pharma just settled a lawsuit for falsely advertising their opioid medications as non addictive as a means to increase their prescriptions. How many people do you think got addicted to Opioids they were told was not addictive?

    Why shouldn’t cigarettes and opioids be allowed to be advertised on TV? The ads aren’t the problem right? People should be able to exercise some personal responsibility and just not buy the cigarettes they see in advertisements. Why doesn’t accountability start with the individual in this case?
    Fine. This isn't going anywhere. This is about as circular as it gets. You believe what you do, and I believe what I do.

    The only difference is I have more faith in an individual and less faith in the medical provider.

    You're acting like a liberal. And I'm not taking a shot at you by saying that. Liberals have fostered the demise of individual accountability. Everything is everyone else's fault. It's a shame.

    The day this country progresses the individual accountability campaign, is the day we get better as a country.

    Everything is an excuse.

    And you never answered my question. What drug currently being advertised is trending towards an addiction epidemic?
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    I was going to jump back in to respond back to dbroncs, but valade really has this on lock.

    Also lets not ignore often times companies have conflicting data on their product that they withhold because it's not beneficial to them. At some point, our corporations (which are apparently people nowadays) need to have personal responsibility as well.

    The first step in their manufactured supply chain of marketing is just convincing the end user that they have a problem. Their goal isn't to help consumers, it's to sell their product. And that can be very dangerous when you are dealing with such powerful medications.

    We need to get back to letting doctors doctor, and medicine companies should be focused on R&D, not marketing.
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