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  1. #3106
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    So if we are making the acknowledgement that the bad ol days impact today, where does this logic stop?

    For instance, if a slave owner legally paid for a slave and that slave escaped, does that slaves current family owe money to that slave owners family?

    Does Harriet Tubman and other brave people who helped slaves escape owe current slave owners families the losses their deeds may have caused?

    Obviously this is ridiculous. Slavery was horrible but it’s in the past. Not to mention, if you can trace your family heritage back to slavery than you probably owe your life to it.
    I know it's in the past, but in order to understand its effects today we have to recognize what were the real life consequences of this past, and how is that impacting people today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    The one simple fact to all of this stuff is that at some point (and that was about 50 years ago in mo opinion) you need to stop looking back, start looking ahead and begin moving forward.

    There were many horrible times in the past. That's a given. The core of these times (slavery) was eliminated 150 years ago. The negative by product of slavery (Jim Crow and other segregation laws) was eliminated during the second half of the twentieth century.

    It's all gone. There is nothing else left to be done. The time is long past due for all of the slighted minorities to step up and take advantage of all these changes. Looking back is useless and pointless. Slavery was evil, horrible yada, yada, yada. Everyone knows that and agrees to that fact. But it is over. There is nothing left to fix.

    Numerous studies have shown that 1. Finishing High School (FREE-NO COST), 2. Avoiding out of wedlock pregnancy (FREE-NO COST) and 3. Getting Married and staying with your partner (FREE-NO COST) will greatly improve a person's chance at success.

    Why not try that? (FREE-NO COST)

    If anyone wants to make stupid and illogical choices when all the opportunity to succeed is all around them…why should I be expected to pay for their failures?
    lol, sluggo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    I'm pretty sure Sluggo doesn't agree that laws and the legal system can be racist.
    I'm sure that Sluggo agrees that laws can be racist.

    I'm sure that Sluggo agrees that laws were racist.

    I'm sure that Flips doesn't agree that there are no longer any laws on the books or that the legal system is racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    I'm pretty sure Sluggo doesn't agree that laws and the legal system can be racist.
    you already know this, but yeahhhhhhhhh...

    https://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/112787...s-racism-nixon

    Nixon aide admitting the war on drugs was created to lock up blacks

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Sentencing_Act

    hmm, wonder why the difference in penalty, for the exact same thing? Well, one was a black, inner city drug, the other a white, suburban drug. Guess which one had the penalty 100 times harsher?

    1935 Social Security Act, or the ADC program, the list just goes on, and on.

    Ignoring the fact african americans have been **** on since they got here is just laughable.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'm sure that Sluggo agrees that laws can be racist.

    I'm sure that Sluggo agrees that laws were racist.

    I'm sure that Flips doesn't agree that there are no longer any laws on the books or that the legal system is racist.
    why would he?

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    why would he?
    See how OJ feels about this.

    Check in with Jussie Smollett.

    Get back to us on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
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    I'm sure that Flips doesn't agree that there are no longer any laws on the books or that the legal system is racist.
    Lol, obviously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    See how OJ feels about this.

    Check in with Jussie Smollett.

    Get back to us on this.
    oh money and celebrity doesn't know color...

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    See how OJ feels about this.

    Check in with Jussie Smollett.

    Get back to us on this.
    Lmaooooo, sluggo!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    oh money and celebrity doesn't know color...
    I'll agree that there is rich and poor outcome to the law. The rich can afford better defense. No argument there.

    Probably very little difference in the application of the law between a rich person of color and a rich person of uncolor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I know it's in the past, but in order to understand its effects today we have to recognize what were the real life consequences of this past, and how is that impacting people today.
    So if a slave, who was legally purchased by an owner,illegally ran away causing the owner damages, should they be compensated as well? Perhaps that owner lost his land or whatever. That’s an impact of the past right?

    Also, this is an attempt to eradicate the outcomes or effects of slavery. However, one of the effects of slavery was millions of black people being born in the US. So in my opinion, sounds like the Dems are up to their old tricks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    So if a slave, who was legally purchased by an owner,illegally ran away causing the owner damages, should they be compensated as well? Perhaps that owner lost his land or whatever. That’s an impact of the past right?

    Also, this is an attempt to eradicate the outcomes or effects of slavery. However, one of the effects of slavery was millions of black people being born in the US. So in my opinion, sounds like the Dems are up to their old tricks again.
    I don't know who owes who what, what I do know is that our system has oppressed people and those people are still dealing with very harsh consequences from that oppression today, and so we need to recognize that if it is something we want to address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    So if a slave, who was legally purchased by an owner,illegally ran away causing the owner damages, should they be compensated as well? Perhaps that owner lost his land or whatever. That’s an impact of the past right?

    Also, this is an attempt to eradicate the outcomes or effects of slavery. However, one of the effects of slavery was millions of black people being born in the US. So in my opinion, sounds like the Dems are up to their old tricks again.
    You can slice and dice this stuff anyway you want all day long and come up with any conclusion or reason you are looking for.

    Move on and a stop looking back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I don't know who owes who what, what I do know is that our system has oppressed people and those people are still dealing with very harsh consequences from that oppression today, and so we need to recognize that if it is something we want to address.
    I simply do not understand how this can be that hard to comprehend.

    Whether it is slavery, the genocide and virtual imprisonment of Native Americans, the second-class citizenship of women, southern Jim Crow and its northern cousin redlining, the Know-Nothing party, anti-semitism, incarceration of pacifists and socialists — just to name a few of the more obvious examples of institutional oppression — these are part of who we are (along with many, many examples of truly dignifying and liberating actions).

    And while we may be making progress (haltingly), a simple recognition, much less a further genuine internalization, of these things and their consequences for us as individuals and as a country is what I mean by the taking on of the moral act of responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I simply do not understand how this can be that hard to comprehend.

    Whether it is slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, the oppression of women, Jim Crow, redlining, the Know-Nothing party, anti-semitism, incarceration of pacifists and socialists — just to name a few of the more obvious examples of institutional oppression — these are part of who we are (along with many, many examples of truly dignifying and liberating actions).

    And while we may be making progress (haltingly), a simple recognition, much less a further genuine internalization, of these things and their consequences for us as individuals and as a country is what I mean by the taking on of the moral act of responsibility.
    All this is true…but what do you want to do about it here, now in the 21st century. Nothing can be done about the past. We've righted as many wrongs as is humanly possible. All these evils will never happen again. Move on.

    To sit there and well on this crap is mucho counterproductive. Accomplishes nothing.

    For people to whine and complain about the country's past shortcomings… Show me a major country that doesn't have a dark past in some way. it's history. It happens.

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