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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Well this lies on the false supposition that everyone would go to college, which simply wouldn't be true. There would still be a lot of people who, even if the Government paid for college, wouldn't go. Furthermore, the program would be setup like it is for military benefits where if you fail a class you have to pay for that class. So the government wouldn't be paying for any wasted individuals because if they wasted their time at college flunking out, they would be paying for it themselves.


    College isn't for every Soldier either, but they have a free college program and it incurs very little waste. So I simply don't believe your fears are founded.
    I have no fears … what you don't seem to understand is that I have no problem with rigid government programs to support tuition and room and board ... I just don't think we need to make it available to everyone and certainly not those who are marginal performers and major in studies that add nothing to the workforce.

    I am all for rewarding excellence and drive. I just want a payoff and my idea of excellence is different than most... it certainly wouldn't include the vast majority of people.

    The current system is trash because it is being abused by multiple groups... Universities who see it as a windfall, lenders who see it as a windfall, students who see it as a way of delaying entry into the real world... a government funded program would be equally abused by universities without price controls and students without strict academic performance metrics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    I have no fears … what you don't seem to understand is that I have no problem with rigid government programs to support tuition and room and board ... I just don't think we need to make it available to everyone and certainly not those who are marginal performers and major in studies that add nothing to the workforce.

    I am all for rewarding excellence and drive. I just want a payoff and my idea of excellence is different than most... it certainly wouldn't include the vast majority of people.

    The current system is trash because it is being abused by multiple groups... Universities who see it as a windfall, lenders who see it as a windfall, students who see it as a way of delaying entry into the real world... a government funded program would be equally abused by universities without price controls and students without strict academic performance metrics...
    I agree the current system is trash, and that the biggest problem in a free tuition system would be capping how much colleges charge.

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    AOC is one of these younger people who are a product of the ultra-left colleges and is too young to remember the Cold War and the fact that socialism is supposed to be our enemy -- and always fails. That, and the fact that she looks like a Kardashian family reject, and you got nothing but trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I agree the current system is trash, and that the biggest problem in a free tuition system would be capping how much colleges charge.
    no one can disagree on that lol

    It is mind boggling how much Universities have gotten away with because of all the student loan money that has flooded the system.

    Anyway, the problems in the educational system start way early in the process with considerably greater waste at the lower levels by trying to be 100% inclusive.

    At the end of the day even well intentioned programs like "Bright Futures" in florida" end up being a massive giveaway to those that really don't need assistance (ie wealthy whites).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Nobody wants socialism!

    Even the DEMS know she won’t work...If they wanted to go this avenue then Hillary would have not blocked Bernie and his ridiculous stuff that came out of his pie hole....

    Again, WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE FREE STUFF that these two keep saying?

    NOTHING IS FREE!

    Why do they keep saying it is free?
    We have this ne funding mechanism that hasn’t been published before buried deeply within the tax code called TAXES. That’s how we pay for things. It’s a ****ing game changer I tell you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I agree the current system is trash, and that the biggest problem in a free tuition system would be capping how much colleges charge.
    Not if it was only state universities and only state universities were free.

    The amount of students would be capped by the number that can get in... the same way it works overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    wrong... its being done to expose her for the fraud that she is and would be excellent ratings ….

    No one expected it to happen... its a stunt by Shapiro... but to act like he wouldn't destroy here in a debate is laughable...

    She uses her youth, personality, and her looks to her advantage as she should … to act like people would respect her for her deep understanding of the issues is laughable... she is a potted plant at this point
    Awwwwwww for a big tough guy like you it sounds like you are really intimidated by her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    Not if it was only state universities and only state universities were free.

    The amount of students would be capped by the number that can get in... the same way it works overseas.
    would people who send a kid to a private university receive a tax credit, since they aren't enjoying the luxury of "free school"?

    At the end of the day, a lengthy system is in place. Move to the burbs, where it is more expensive, so that you can be in a good school district (pay more taxes), so you can get your kid to the best school possible, etc. I get having "free" public school opens up education for everyone, but that also means the lower tier educated people, from poor neighborhoods, will be filling these schools up. Not that this is a bad thing, at all. But, simply put, many parents will want more for their kids. Should they receive credit for making a sacrifice?

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flips333 View Post
    Awwwwwww for a big tough guy like you it sounds like you are really intimidated by her.

    you sound like one of the many on the left Prostituting her for their benefit... One can only conclude this by your inability to acknowledge her vapidness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I don't know what this gibberish is supposed to mean.
    I guess English isn't your first language.

    You are scared schitless of AOC and it is absolutely hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    would people who send a kid to a private university receive a tax credit, since they aren't enjoying the luxury of "free school"?

    At the end of the day, a lengthy system is in place. Move to the burbs, where it is more expensive, so that you can be in a good school district (pay more taxes), so you can get your kid to the best school possible, etc. I get having "free" public school opens up education for everyone, but that also means the lower tier educated people, from poor neighborhoods, will be filling these schools up. Not that this is a bad thing, at all. But, simply put, many parents will want more for their kids. Should they receive credit for making a sacrifice?
    If it was up to me, no they wouldn't. Public money for public schools. No public money for private schools. If people want to take advantage of the cheaper school benefit, they go to a public school. If you want to go to Harvard or Yale or Bob Jones University, that is between you and them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    wrong... its being done to expose her for the fraud that she is...
    My understanding is that a fraud is one who intentionally deceives others for personal or financial gain. How exactly is Ms. Ocasio-Cortez a fraud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyFan View Post
    If it was up to me, no they wouldn't. Public money for public schools. No public money for private schools. If people want to take advantage of the cheaper school benefit, they go to a public school. If you want to go to Harvard or Yale or Bob Jones University, that is between you and them.
    That is likely how it would work. All for the betterment of society. It's a non-issue if "free" schools are still kicking out high standard scholastic students. If public, or "free" schools start drawing lesser teachers, and pushing out graduates that are below average, it might be a problem. Education needs to be fixed at the lower level before we just unleash "free" college to me.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    That is likely how it would work. All for the betterment of society. It's a non-issue if "free" schools are still kicking out high standard scholastic students. If public, or "free" schools start drawing lesser teachers, and pushing out graduates that are below average, it might be a problem. Education needs to be fixed at the lower level before we just unleash "free" college to me.
    The best incentive for that to happen is if you can't just take your ball and go home to the private schools. If you get a credit then you are essentially promoting leaving the free public college behind. It's very similar to why people fight those types of credits for current private schools. It further exacerbates a tiered system by removing the buy in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeW-Star View Post
    The best incentive for that to happen is if you can't just take your ball and go home to the private schools. If you get a credit then you are essentially promoting leaving the free public college behind. It's very similar to why people fight those types of credits for current private schools. It further exacerbates a tiered system by removing the buy in.
    oh what I am referring to is basically, "I know a sacrifice needs to be made at some point, but let's stave off the ones who need to make it another generation or two".

    Here is the thing-in order to "fix" education, a generation(s) of people is going to have to eat **** and make a huge sacrifice. It means pumping massive tax dollars into a broken system, with fixes in place to assure a stronger future from an educational standpoint.

    None of this addresses this simple truth though-4 year colleges are not for everyone.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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