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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakeyFool View Post
    yeah, cause its the same

    move along troll, focus on steel slats and hating immigrants.
    why are you posting this nonsense in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thread.

    are you even aware of what is going on in the immigration debate. hint, it's not about immigration in general. one should be able to understand this is about illegal immigration.

    what I said is about the same thing, lying. the Liberal media and anyone that hates Trump including people here at PSD have no problem going after Trump when they can accuse him of lying. why is it when AOC is lying, nobody on the left gives a ****.

    FlakeyFool if you want to counter against anything I've said then go ahead, but saying this and then deflecting to something else isn't how things should happen.










    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-dont-address

    Ocasio-Cortez: 'World will end in 12 years' if climate change not addressed
    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Monday said she thinks that there is an urgency needed in addressing man-made climate change, warning that it will "destroy the planet" in a dozen years if humans do not address the issue, no matter the cost.

    During an interview at the MLK Now event in New York City honoring Martin Luther King Jr., Ocasio-Cortez told interviewer Ta-Nehisi Coates that younger Americans are looking for bold solutions to climate change, and are not concerned about the cost.

    “Millennials and people, you know, Gen Z and all these folks that will come after us are looking up and we’re like: ‘The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?' " Ocasio-Cortez asked Coates.

    Her comments are in reference to a United Nations-backed climate report, published late last year, that determined the effects of climate change to be irreversible and unavoidable if carbon emissions are not reined in over the next 12 years.

    In the same interview, Ocasio-Cortez took aim at the Trump administration and some Democrats on Capitol Hill for "abdicat[ing]" their responsibilities to govern and address the issue. She added that activists have a “responsibility” to be vocally opposed to the administration and "breathe fire" when necessary.

    "Right now, with the current administration, with the current circumstances, with the abdication of responsibility that we've seen from so many powerful people, even people who abdicate that responsibility by calling themselves liberal or a Democrat, or whatever it is, I feel a need for all of us to breathe fire," she said.

    The freshman Democratic congresswoman drew a national following last year with her shocking primary upset of longtime Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.), who was a member of House Democratic leadership.

    The 29-year-old has since leveraged her impressive social media following into influence among the Democratic caucus and hosted a social media workshop for Democratic lawmakers last week.
    isn't putting a time the world will end or the planet will be destroyed as we know it something that some have been saying for decades. this comes off as more nonsense and fear mongering that will just cause the other side to roll their eyes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    why are you posting this nonsense in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thread.

    are you even aware of what is going on in the immigration debate. hint, it's not about immigration in general. one should be able to understand this is about illegal immigration.

    what I said is about the same thing, lying. the Liberal media and anyone that hates Trump including people here at PSD have no problem going after Trump when they can accuse him of lying. why is it when AOC is lying, nobody on the left gives a ****.

    FlakeyFool if you want to counter against anything I've said then go ahead, but saying this and then deflecting to something else isn't how things should happen.










    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-dont-address




    isn't putting a time the world will end or the planet will be destroyed as we know it something that some have been saying for decades. this comes off as more nonsense and fear mongering that will just cause the other side to roll their eyes.
    You argue semantics and nothing about policy. You argue nothing about medicare for all, green new deal, livable wage, etc.

    She's referring to a UN report about climate change, something that's waaaaaaay over your head. You'll probably start learning about this next year in grade 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    why are you posting this nonsense in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thread.

    are you even aware of what is going on in the immigration debate. hint, it's not about immigration in general. one should be able to understand this is about illegal immigration.

    what I said is about the same thing, lying. the Liberal media and anyone that hates Trump including people here at PSD have no problem going after Trump when they can accuse him of lying. why is it when AOC is lying, nobody on the left gives a ****.

    FlakeyFool if you want to counter against anything I've said then go ahead, but saying this and then deflecting to something else isn't how things should happen.










    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-dont-address




    isn't putting a time the world will end or the planet will be destroyed as we know it something that some have been saying for decades. this comes off as more nonsense and fear mongering that will just cause the other side to roll their eyes.
    My opinion on tbe lying thing in a completely hypothetical situation; if you compare the two of them to murderers, AOC would be comparable to a vehicular manslaughter case while Trump would be Ted Bundy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I should not matter where someone is on the political spectrum as to whether true journalists should be calling them out for their malfeasance, bad faith, prevarications, et al.
    I agree, I believe that is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakeyFool View Post
    You argue semantics and nothing about policy. You argue nothing about medicare for all, green new deal, livable wage, etc.

    She's referring to a UN report about climate change, something that's waaaaaaay over your head. You'll probably start learning about this next year in grade 10

    why would I argue about things that I haven't been following.

    when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says something stupid, she should be called out. when she lies, that should be called out. anyone doing the same for Trump but refusing to do the same for AOC is a hypocrite.

    even Scoots agreed, and he doesn't even want to talk to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    To be fair, AOC is left of center, far left, and journalists certainly should be calling her on her ****.






    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    My opinion on tbe lying thing in a completely hypothetical situation; if you compare the two of them to murderers, AOC would be comparable to a vehicular manslaughter case while Trump would be Ted Bundy.
    the amount is not the point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    To be fair, AOC is left of center, far left, and journalists certainly should be calling her on her ****.
    Some are:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.14cafeef3b55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    My opinion on tbe lying thing in a completely hypothetical situation; if you compare the two of them to murderers, AOC would be comparable to a vehicular manslaughter case while Trump would be Ted Bundy.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    the amount is not the point.
    The point is that AOC is liberal so her lies are bad whereas Trump is a conservative so we shouldn't focus on them.

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    Plenty of centrist and left media are calling M. Ocasio-Cortez our when warranted (and have been for a while).

    She’s not getting a free pass — though she is getting a lot of free press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Plenty of centrist and left media are calling M. Ocasio-Cortez our when warranted (and have been for a while).

    She’s not getting a free pass — though she is getting a lot of free press.
    *out?

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    Capitalists in the Twenty-First Century
    https://www.nber.org/papers/w25442

    Before we start complaining about the rich not paying their fair share, let’s note that the top 3% of taxpayers mostly “working rich” pay more than 50% of all income taxes. The top 1% paid 37% of all income tax collected.

    It's important to distinguish the “working rich” from the Oligarch rich. The Oligarch rich collect passive, rentier income from the ownership of assets: stocks, bonds, real estate, etc. The “working rich” are owners of companies, and most of their income comes from human capital, meaning their knowledge, expertise and experience. According to the NBER authors’ research, when these “working rich” owners retire or die, business income tanks by 75%. In contrast, the passive income from financial/physical assets continues on unchanged even if the owner retires or dies.

    The “working rich” are not tax cheats like the Global Super-Wealthy, they’re the ones doing the heavy lifting of paying most of the $1.7 trillion in income taxes (which doesn’t include the payroll taxes of Social Security and Medicare, with employees and employers each paying 7.65% of wages/salaries).

    This is the key difference between employees and the “working rich”: the working rich, as business owners, can elect to pay themselves a salary but distribute most of their income as profits or long-term capital gains, which are taxed at 15% up to $425,800 and 20% on everything above that level.

    Despite this advantage, the top 1% paid an effective tax rate of 26.9% compared to 15.6% for the top 50% of taxpayers while the top 5% paid 23.5%.

    The other key finding of the NBER paper is that the “working rich” kept most of the gains earned by their enterprises: rather than distributing much of these gains to employees, the business owners increased their share of net profits, a trend which has fueled the income inequality so many of us have been scrutinizing.

    Long experience no longer pays dividends. In a commoditized labor force, paying higher wages to retain senior workers simply doesn’t make business sense. The most profitable way to manage employees is hire the least-experienced workers, get them up to speed and then keep their wages more or less the same. If they leave for another job, the tasks they were performing can be learned by new employees relatively quickly because they’ve been commoditized.

    Now that even inexperienced workers are scarce in many regions, businesses are having to pay more wages and offer more flexibility to get replacement workers. But the modest rise in wages (roughly 3%, if recent estimates are accurate), are much less than the gains being accrued by successful privately owned companies.

    In other words, rising income inequality may be a reflection of the changing nature of work: to streamline and automate work, labor has been commoditized wherever possible so the tasks can be performed by anyone with some training anywhere in the world.

    The days in which the senior workers held the most profitable knowledge in their heads, and employers who wanted to secure strong profits paid senior workers handsomely to keep them, are largely gone. Would you pay someone $30 an hour when someone getting $20 an hour produces the same output? No wonder the “working rich” are keeping most of the gains for themselves: there’s not much incentive to reward seniority if seniority is no longer adding to the enterprise’s core human capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin13697 View Post
    Capitalists in the Twenty-First Century
    https://www.nber.org/papers/w25442

    Before we start complaining about the rich not paying their fair share, let’s note that the top 3% of taxpayers mostly “working rich” pay more than 50% of all income taxes. The top 1% paid 37% of all income tax collected.

    It's important to distinguish the “working rich” from the Oligarch rich. The Oligarch rich collect passive, rentier income from the ownership of assets: stocks, bonds, real estate, etc. The “working rich” are owners of companies, and most of their income comes from human capital, meaning their knowledge, expertise and experience. According to the NBER authors’ research, when these “working rich” owners retire or die, business income tanks by 75%. In contrast, the passive income from financial/physical assets continues on unchanged even if the owner retires or dies.

    The “working rich” are not tax cheats like the Global Super-Wealthy, they’re the ones doing the heavy lifting of paying most of the $1.7 trillion in income taxes (which doesn’t include the payroll taxes of Social Security and Medicare, with employees and employers each paying 7.65% of wages/salaries).

    This is the key difference between employees and the “working rich”: the working rich, as business owners, can elect to pay themselves a salary but distribute most of their income as profits or long-term capital gains, which are taxed at 15% up to $425,800 and 20% on everything above that level.

    Despite this advantage, the top 1% paid an effective tax rate of 26.9% compared to 15.6% for the top 50% of taxpayers while the top 5% paid 23.5%.

    The other key finding of the NBER paper is that the “working rich” kept most of the gains earned by their enterprises: rather than distributing much of these gains to employees, the business owners increased their share of net profits, a trend which has fueled the income inequality so many of us have been scrutinizing.

    Long experience no longer pays dividends. In a commoditized labor force, paying higher wages to retain senior workers simply doesn’t make business sense. The most profitable way to manage employees is hire the least-experienced workers, get them up to speed and then keep their wages more or less the same. If they leave for another job, the tasks they were performing can be learned by new employees relatively quickly because they’ve been commoditized.

    Now that even inexperienced workers are scarce in many regions, businesses are having to pay more wages and offer more flexibility to get replacement workers. But the modest rise in wages (roughly 3%, if recent estimates are accurate), are much less than the gains being accrued by successful privately owned companies.

    In other words, rising income inequality may be a reflection of the changing nature of work: to streamline and automate work, labor has been commoditized wherever possible so the tasks can be performed by anyone with some training anywhere in the world.

    The days in which the senior workers held the most profitable knowledge in their heads, and employers who wanted to secure strong profits paid senior workers handsomely to keep them, are largely gone. Would you pay someone $30 an hour when someone getting $20 an hour produces the same output? No wonder the “working rich” are keeping most of the gains for themselves: there’s not much incentive to reward seniority if seniority is no longer adding to the enterprise’s core human capital.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Meh.
    The Old Left was concerned with bread and butter issues and extracting a bigger piece of the economic pie from the elites. The Old Right, in turn, was concerned with order and the stability of the system, and was prepared to give up some of the pie in order to stave off the pitchforks.

    However, the borderless super-rich of the New Left-Right Elite Alliance no longer need to buy off the non-elites with money. They have no fear of the pitchforks because they can flee behind private armies, gated communities, or they can flee the country in an instant if they need to, taking with the large chunks of their wealth, which is now either offshore or mobile thanks to international banking. They have become insulated from the consequences of their policies.

    We're all mad as hell, but don’t know exactly where to direct our anger, because the social and cultural issues the elites have used to co-opt the non-elites are also incredibly effective at keeping the left and right non-elites in a constant state of anger at each other. The Elite’s greatest fear is that left and right non-elites realize who their real enemies are, and that their fighting with each other over cultural issues is what the Elites want them to be doing.

    Right elites take the bread out of the non-elites mouths by coopting non-elites on the right with the circuses of religion and nationalism. At the same time, the left elites have done the same by coopting left non-elites with the circuses of political correctness and multiculturalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    why would I argue about things that I haven't been following.

    when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says something stupid, she should be called out. when she lies, that should be called out. anyone doing the same for Trump but refusing to do the same for AOC is a hypocrite.

    even Scoots agreed, and he doesn't even want to talk to me.










    the amount is not the point.
    That's just your opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The point is that AOC is liberal so her lies are bad whereas Trump is a conservative so we shouldn't focus on them.
    show me where I ever said that.

    this is a point.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says something stupid, she should be called out. when she lies, that should be called out. anyone doing the same for Trump but refusing to do the same for AOC is a hypocrite.

    there are fact checkers constantly fact checking Trump. there should be equality, but that would require media being unbiased and anyone with common sense knows that's not reality.

    not only should this be done by everyone in media also doing the same for Trump, this should also be done from those at PSD who always want to complain about Trump lying.

    that is why I said this..
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    nobody wants to talk about AOC being wrong.

    https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...6#post32775236


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin13697 View Post
    The Old Left was concerned with bread and butter issues and extracting a bigger piece of the economic pie from the elites. The Old Right, in turn, was concerned with order and the stability of the system, and was prepared to give up some of the pie in order to stave off the pitchforks.

    However, the borderless super-rich of the New Left-Right Elite Alliance no longer need to buy off the non-elites with money. They have no fear of the pitchforks because they can flee behind private armies, gated communities, or they can flee the country in an instant if they need to, taking with the large chunks of their wealth, which is now either offshore or mobile thanks to international banking. They have become insulated from the consequences of their policies.

    We're all mad as hell, but don’t know exactly where to direct our anger, because the social and cultural issues the elites have used to co-opt the non-elites are also incredibly effective at keeping the left and right non-elites in a constant state of anger at each other. The Elite’s greatest fear is that left and right non-elites realize who their real enemies are, and that their fighting with each other over cultural issues is what the Elites want them to be doing.

    Right elites take the bread out of the non-elites mouths by coopting non-elites on the right with the circuses of religion and nationalism. At the same time, the left elites have done the same by coopting left non-elites with the circuses of political correctness and multiculturalism.
    Now you are talking. This makes much more sense to me. In fact, earlier, I said that the Trump base and the Sanders base have a great deal in common economically — albeit perhaps not culturally (which is, of course, the wedge that is most useful to the elites as they sow discontent).

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