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    Joe Manchin Conversation With Donors Leaked


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    I don't think Congress is going to do anything about it, since they all have conservations like this with donors. Manchin just got caught. It will blow over with the next headline.
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    This is less a scandal than a further confirmation (as if we really needed it) of what we already know about the senator, and for that matter, what we already know about most all of the current senators.

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    Well, Joe Manchin completed his part in this circle-jerk bi-partisanship the moderates want.

    "Senate Republicans spent months praising Joe Manchin for his insistence on cross-party compromise. Next week they will almost surely end his hopes for a bipartisan deal on elections.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he believed all 50 Republicans would oppose Sen. Manchin's slimmed-down elections compromise, which focuses on expanding voting and ending partisan gerrymandering in federal elections" Yahoo news:Politico

    Another bill that is going to be slim down to joke status. Are the Republicans happy with any bill the Democrats have, are there any Democrats unwilling to continue letting the Republicans call the shots? A little testicular fortitude someone? Anyone? Hello
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Well, Joe Manchin completed his part in this circle-jerk bi-partisanship the moderates want.

    "Senate Republicans spent months praising Joe Manchin for his insistence on cross-party compromise. Next week they will almost surely end his hopes for a bipartisan deal on elections.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he believed all 50 Republicans would oppose Sen. Manchin's slimmed-down elections compromise, which focuses on expanding voting and ending partisan gerrymandering in federal elections" Yahoo news:Politico

    Another bill that is going to be slim down to joke status. Are the Republicans happy with any bill the Democrats have, are there any Democrats unwilling to continue letting the Republicans call the shots? A little testicular fortitude someone? Anyone? Hello
    It is frustrating and bad strategy to water down a bill in the hopes of bipartisanship, having Republicans all say no anyway and voting for the watered down bill anyway.

    What they should do on the infrastructure and voting bills is say if you aren't going to vote for the watered down bi-partisan versions we are going to vote for the original Democrat versions instead.

    So if Republicans don't vote for the $1 trillion compromise infrastructure bill they'll get the $2.3 one instead, etc.

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    Sounds like bribery but bribery is ok in this country
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It is frustrating and bad strategy to water down a bill in the hopes of bipartisanship, having Republicans all say no anyway and voting for the watered down bill anyway.

    What they should do on the infrastructure and voting bills is say if you aren't going to vote for the watered down bi-partisan versions we are going to vote for the original Democrat versions instead.

    So if Republicans don't vote for the $1 trillion compromise infrastructure bill they'll get the $2.3 one instead, etc.
    These guys have a long list of shoulda, coulda and woulda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    I mean he's literally asking these billionaires to bribe Republicans into voting for the Jan 6th commission so he can pretend like the filibuster works. The audio just shows what I've been saying in the other thread, he just wants to protect his rich donors and prevent anything major that could threaten change in Washington. His whole spiel about compromising with Republicans has always been nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino17 View Post
    Sounds like bribery but bribery is ok in this country
    It is bribery, and right now it is OK. Eventually, when the Democratic Party is overtaken by non-corrupt people, it won't be OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It is frustrating and bad strategy to water down a bill in the hopes of bipartisanship, having Republicans all say no anyway and voting for the watered down bill anyway.

    What they should do on the infrastructure and voting bills is say if you aren't going to vote for the watered down bi-partisan versions we are going to vote for the original Democrat versions instead.

    So if Republicans don't vote for the $1 trillion compromise infrastructure bill they'll get the $2.3 one instead, etc.
    That sounds like a very good idea, except we'll have Democrats who will refuse to do that because they don't want to do anything on filibuster. This audio proves they don't actually care about working with Republicans and get their input, they just want to use the filibuster as an excuse to not fundamentally change anything. If they remove the filibuster, they'd actually have to pass legislation.

    Here's the thing though, Republicans are coming after the right to vote. They are passing legislation at the state level to suppress Democratic voters. When a higher percentage of people vote, Democrats tend to win. Passing a voting rights bill would help them retain power at the very least. Republicans don't want more people voting, and certainly not more black and brown people voting. Democrats won't get one Republican to vote on any voting rights bill, so either they change the filibuster or they don't pass it. Democrats should be moving mountains to make a voting rights bill happen, even if it means getting rid of the filibuster.

    Also, I actually LOVE a lot of what Manchin's voting rights bill had in it and would be VERY happy if they passed it. Obviously his plan removed all the stuff about campaign finance reform, which were the best parts of the For the People Act, but we can come back to that in the future. Manchin's compromise on voting rights is actually a really good start and something we really need. I'll eat my words if they end the filibuster and pass it, but I think getting my hopes up will only end in disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It is frustrating and bad strategy to water down a bill in the hopes of bipartisanship, having Republicans all say no anyway and voting for the watered down bill anyway.

    What they should do on the infrastructure and voting bills is say if you aren't going to vote for the watered down bi-partisan versions we are going to vote for the original Democrat versions instead.

    So if Republicans don't vote for the $1 trillion compromise infrastructure bill they'll get the $2.3 one instead, etc.
    Vote for it and it still won’t pass because Manchin has all the power and already said he won’t vote for something like that. You guys need Manchin and he knows he has all the power. You can try to primary him but you’ll just get someone even more right to win that seat.


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    Joe Manchin needs to do himself a favor and join the Republican Party. He's a friggin' DINO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    Vote for it and it still won’t pass because Manchin has all the power and already said he won’t vote for something like that. You guys need Manchin and he knows he has all the power. You can try to primary him but you’ll just get someone even more right to win that seat.
    I’d almost prefer a Republican in that spot, that way we wouldn’t have a wolf in sheep’s clothing so to speak.

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    Sounds like Joe Manchin is taking a common sense (and I know how we hate that phrase here) approach.

    And I salute Cheeseburger Abrams for supporting the Manch compromise which seems to be more than fair to all. . (Although it is interesting how she accepts it when it is proposed by a dem at the federal level yet is outraged when a repub in her home state proposes pretty much the same thing and costs her "people" millions of $$$$ in income. Lose jobs and $$$$ and then save face a few weeks later. Good job Stace.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Sounds like Joe Manchin is taking a common sense (and I know how we hate that phrase here) approach.

    And I salute Cheeseburger Abrams for supporting the Manch compromise which seems to be more than fair to all. . (Although it is interesting how she accepts it when it is proposed by a dem at the federal level yet is outraged when a repub in her home state proposes pretty much the same thing and costs her "people" millions of $$$$ in income. Lose jobs and $$$$ and then save face a few weeks later. Good job Stace.)
    The Republicans in Congress don't think Manchin is using common sense, they rejected his revised infrastructure bill. The man got caught looking for bribes from his donors to influence politicians he is having trouble with and you think he is using common sense. OK
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