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    Why don't hitters just hit against the shift???

    Found this on ESPN. Pretty interesting takes here.
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...ust-beat-shift

    I though this quote by Carpenter was pretty interesting.
    Just think about this: When there's a runner on third base and less than two outs and the infield is playing back, every hitter in baseball knows that all you have to do is hit a ground ball anywhere, and you score the run. And that success rate is still super small. That play is easy, and it gets screwed up all the time. Guys can't hit a ground ball when all they have to do is hit a ground ball to score a run

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    Found this on ESPN. Pretty interesting takes here.
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...ust-beat-shift

    I though this quote by Carpenter was pretty interesting.
    In the same article, Daniel Murphy shows that he is plenty bright on the matter.

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    Hitters have something like 125 milliseconds to react to a fastball.

    Couple that with pitching being easier (in terms of most with succeed more than they fail) and on top of that, pitching staying on one side of the rubber makes them more likely to hit their spots. Kind of hard to go the other way on a pitch in on your hands.

    Itís funny though how the shift is a result of analytics and the only feasible way to beat it is by bunting - something thatís frowned upon in analytics lol.

    Shifting ruins baseball, I know Jeffy will disagree but itís whatever

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    Stop swinging for the fences, choke up and show some bat control. Still very difficult to just hit it where they ain't, but chances go up if you focus on bat control instead of power.

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    So many experts on beating the shift up in these forums..

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    Hit against the shift? The shift exists because a large enough sample size indicates you are going to hitting into the shift. There is no shift otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Stop swinging for the fences, choke up and show some bat control. Still very difficult to just hit it where they ain't, but chances go up if you focus on bat control instead of power.
    This.

    Let these modern statistics tell a different story instead of dictating the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    Hit against the shift? The shift exists because a large enough sample size indicates you are going to hitting into the shift. There is no shift otherwise
    hitters are taught to pull a ton... of course its hard but players really just need to choke up and swing a little later than normal and you will likely hit it the other way... Its harder said than done but a much better option than just sticking with what you are doing and constantly hitting into the shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    hitters are taught to pull a ton... of course its hard but players really just need to choke up and swing a little later than normal and you will likely hit it the other way... Its harder said than done but a much better option than just sticking with what you are doing and constantly hitting into the shift.
    If anything you are taught to hit it up the middle. You are also taught to take what the pitcher gives you. Outside you drive it the other way. In all my years Iíve never heard a coach teach pulling the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    If anything you are taught to hit it up the middle. You are also taught to take what the pitcher gives you. Outside you drive it the other way. In all my years Iíve never heard a coach teach pulling the ball.
    always thought top power hitters were pulling for more power to hit more homeruns etc.

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    I think nowadays many hitters are coached to pull the ball in the air

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    Daniel Murphy exposes himself as an idiot in that quote. Like really? It's purely coincidental that defense traditionally involved having a defender in close proximity to each base?

    Jeffy is clearly meaning to highlight the fact that Murphy appears to share his belief that the hitter should adjust, which is totally valid and reasonable. but if anyone believes that the traditional defensive alignment wasn't influenced 100% by these two factors:

    1) blanketing the field, while

    2) having a defensive player near each base to make plays AT the base

    and rather because somebody gave it some thought and decided the most likely spot for the ball to be hit was a short distance from each base around the infield - they are kidding themselves. and then that idiot would have to convince a whole bunch of other idiots. no way.

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    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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