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    Owners not happy with conference balance


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Not really. Just do away with the conferences and make it one league. Top 16 go to the playoffs. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Not a player issue. This is incompetient front office members inside the eastern conference compared to the west. GM/Scouting is superior out west and why the west has been dominant, they have had better FO hires.

    The only thing they need to meet with the players about is playoff format for the CBA, make it that the top 16 teams make the players. If the players say no thats their right but this is an owner/FO problem not hiring the right people vs a player problem


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueFan420 View Post
    Not really. Just do away with the conferences and make it one league. Top 16 go to the playoffs. Problem solved.
    People keep saying this, but never really speak to how you then come up with a balanced schedule.
    Everybody plays (almost) everybody 3 times, alternating who gets 2 home games? Come up with some sort of rotation semi-similar to what the NFL does only with groups of teams rather than divisions?

    Bottom line is- if owners are annoyed about balance, there's certain owners of eastern teams they should push to do more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    People keep saying this, but never really speak to how you then come up with a balanced schedule.
    Everybody plays (almost) everybody 3 times, alternating who gets 2 home games? Come up with some sort of rotation semi-similar to what the NFL does only with groups of teams rather than divisions?

    Bottom line is- if owners are annoyed about balance, there's certain owners of eastern teams they should push to do more.
    This. So many people want to try to make this a black and white easy answer thing and it isn’t.

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    While they're at it, if they want to create more balance, they create a harder salary cap. It'd be more difficult to create/continue 'super teams' if they didn't allow teams to circumvent the cap by stomaching millions in luxury tax, allowing owners willing to spend big to do so while other owners can't afford to or at least choose not to...similar to issues in baseball with NO cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    This. So many people want to try to make this a black and white easy answer thing and it isn’t.
    It kind of is. All that would have to happen is a team would have to play 23 teams three times during the year and the other five teams just twice. You can separate it by divisions if you want. So the Pacific Division can play the Southwest Division twice for a couple years and then they would rotate.

    Obviously you'll have to have two home games for one team and one for the other. So the schedule will have to remain the same for two years in a row. So say the Lakers get two home games and the Celtics get one home game one year, the following year the Celtics will have two home games and the Lakers will only have one. You can cut down on the yearly travel by having a two-game home stand. So the year that the Lakers have to go out to Boston, they only go out once and play back-to-back games versus the Celtics. That would cut down on tons of travel by having to only visit a city once out of the year. Right now the Lakers would fly to Denver two separate times, and Denver would fly to La two separate times.

    That's as close as you can get to a balanced schedule. You then take best 16 records and send them accordingly. There might be some extra travel during the playoffs, but throughout the year they would have cut down so much travel, they would probably still end up traveling less miles and time than the current version they are running right now.

    Ultimately it would help the east teams as well. Denver should not be getting lottery picks, the Clippers should not be getting lottery picks when they are above 500 facing a tougher schedule. Teams in the east or west that don't make the playoffs deserve to have higher seedings during the draft. Technicalities of not making the playoffs because you faced a tougher schedule should not allow you to grab better players than a team that is less talented than you

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    It's a lack of talent issue, in a league dominated by top level talent.

    Getting rid of 4-5 teams is the only fix.

    1/3 of the league is in tank mode before the season even starts, which means they aren't trying to sign anyone and it allows the competitive teams to continue to eat up the talent, also means the teams that are tanking will sell their quality veterans off wholesale to the competitive teams.

    The only way to fix this is cut 4-5 teams to more evenly distribute the talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    People keep saying this, but never really speak to how you then come up with a balanced schedule.
    Everybody plays (almost) everybody 3 times, alternating who gets 2 home games? Come up with some sort of rotation semi-similar to what the NFL does only with groups of teams rather than divisions?

    Bottom line is- if owners are annoyed about balance, there's certain owners of eastern teams they should push to do more.
    redoing the schedule is semantics if this fixes the massive imbalance of power from west to east. Travel isn't as hard as it once was.

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    As long as there are time zones there will be an East and a West conference with more inter conference games as a result.

    Regular start times of 10 PM and later will ensure I miss a ton of games just like I'm sure 4 PM start times out West will make them miss a bunch of games on TV.

    I can't imagine what damage earlier or later starts would do for in person attendance where West Coast cities are stuck in 5-6PM rush hour or East fans are stuck in highway traffic when the game is ending at midnight as they try and accommodate both coasts.

    Just this very year West fans were complaining about super duper early start times during the playoffs.

    There is no easy fix other than actually smart management to have the cap space to steal stars and balance the league over time. East teams have to stop giving Batum, and Otto Porter $100M+. Those guys cap strap the team and those guys sell zero jerseys. Those guys fill zero highlight reels whatsoever. Nobody is buying a ticket to see them play and they don't move the needle on wins that much. Miami gave Whiteside $100M which he at least he has a little more flare and fandom, but nonetheless filled the cap sheet with no names up and down the roster. Overall smart cap management will balance the league on its own.

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    The only way to fix this is move Houston to the Eastern conference.

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    These things are cyclical. You can't make massive changes to the league's layout based on the current makeup of teams, because teams that are powerhouses today won't necessarily be powerhouses tomorrow. Golden State is a perfect example- prior to these past 6 years they only made the playoffs ONCE after 1994 and hadn't sniffed the Finals since 1974. Meanwhile the Knicks haven't made it out of the 1st rd but once this century, but were a playoff fixture for years before that. Why? The Warriors drafted and built a team around Curry to start their run, Patrick Ewing retired ending the last Knicks run.

    You don't reset the entire league based on short term balance of power between teams.....that is, unless you're going to use that balance of power between teams TO reset the league...on a regular basis (i.e. this year's schedule is based on last year's results)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    These things are cyclical. You can't make massive changes to the league's layout based on the current makeup of teams, because teams that are powerhouses today won't necessarily be powerhouses tomorrow. Golden State is a perfect example- prior to these past 6 years they only made the playoffs ONCE after 1994 and hadn't sniffed the Finals since 1974. Meanwhile the Knicks haven't made it out of the 1st rd but once this century, but were a playoff fixture for years before that. Why? The Warriors drafted and built a team around Curry to start their run, Patrick Ewing retired ending the last Knicks run.

    You don't reset the entire league based on short term balance of power between teams.....that is, unless you're going to use that balance of power between teams TO reset the league...on a regular basis (i.e. this year's schedule is based on last year's results)
    Since Jordans bulls, the champion pistons, j O'Neal Pacers, big 3 celtics, big 3 heat, d rose bulls, d Howard magic, that's 6 teams in a span of about 20 years that were legit teams in the east. Every other team we would expect to get spanked in the finals. That's horrible and it's been a while, doesn't seem cyclical to me

    *oh also lebron kyrie cavs, that's 7 teams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivera View Post
    Not a player issue. This is incompetient front office members inside the eastern conference compared to the west. GM/Scouting is superior out west and why the west has been dominant, they have had better FO hires.

    The only thing they need to meet with the players about is playoff format for the CBA, make it that the top 16 teams make the players. If the players say no thats their right but this is an owner/FO problem not hiring the right people vs a player problem
    Is it why the west is dominant ? I think the west is just a more attractive place to live partly. Who wants to live in Detroit ? Cleveland? Memphis Utah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Since Jordans bulls, the champion pistons, j O'Neal Pacers, big 3 celtics, big 3 heat, d rose bulls, d Howard magic, that's 6 teams in a span of about 20 years that were legit teams in the east. Every other team we would expect to get spanked in the finals. That's horrible and it's been a while, doesn't seem cyclical to me

    *oh also lebron kyrie cavs, that's 7 teams
    You just solidified that it IS cyclical...it's just that the top end players tended to be on eastern teams for those years. When Jordan was in the East, people felt the West was the weaker conference...and for many of those years, they were. The balance of power isn't based on team location as much as it is on which had the top end players. In every other team sport, it takes more than a couple players to create long term success....not basketball. Sure, a basketball team still needs other solid players, but if they hit on and keep a superstar or two, they can have years of success.
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