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  1. #5806
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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post

    It makes zero sense to charge any 2 people differently for identical violations.
    lol, par for the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    And yet this happens all the time in our legal system.
    Obviously but not laid out saying a billionaire has to pay billions for going 5 over the speed limit.

    Count me out of that country where people that think that's logical and fair.

    A guy should lose his entire life's work, for going 5 over to appease extremists who think that is proportional and fair, sorry but just flat out no from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    Obviously but not laid out saying a billionaire has to pay billions for going 5 over the speed limit.

    Count me out of that country where people that think that's logical and fair.

    A guy should lose his entire life's work, for going 5 over to appease extremists who think that is proportional and fair, sorry but just flat out no from me.
    There is literally not one person on this earth saying that. You somehow interpreted it should be proportional to mean we think people should pay billions for a traffic violation.

    What's funny is you don't think a rich person should lose their life's work over a traffic ticket, but you seem to be OK with the current system where many poor people have their lives ruined over a traffic ticket.

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    Face it, rich people are worth more than poor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    There is literally not one person on this earth saying that. You somehow interpreted it should be proportional to mean we think people should pay billions for a traffic violation.

    What's funny is you don't think a rich person should lose their life's work over a traffic ticket, but you seem to be OK with the current system where many poor people have their lives ruined over a traffic ticket.
    I'm not at all okay with that. But for me, it doesn't mean make the top suffer, bc the bottom can't quit caffeine and nicotine.

    I bought a dude I grew up with son's diapers bc they were both sitting in soiled diapers yet dude had a fresh 12 pack of mountain dew and a fresh pack of cigs.

    I don't feel bad that dude struggles to make ends meet, nor do I associate with him anymore. I feel bad for the kids, because they didn't have a say in being born.

    But just because someone low income can't pay a ticket, we have to make a billionaire feel the same hurt? Very illogical and unethical to me.

    Proportional for a guy as wealthy as Bezos isn't $50,000 hate to break it to ya. I'm putting into perspective blams "proportional and fair" hot take.

    Bezos gave his ex wife $36 billion and it didn't even make a dent, dude is still the richest man on the face of the Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    We've legitimized the bum enough.
    What bum? Just any homeless person? Not sure i get what you meant there.

    Don't understand how this could contribute to the conversation man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Face it, rich people are worth more than poor people.
    only because they have more gold teeth when we melt them down
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    I'm not at all okay with that. But for me, it doesn't mean make the top suffer, bc the bottom can't quit caffeine and nicotine.

    I bought a dude I grew up with son's diapers bc they were both sitting in soiled diapers yet dude had a fresh 12 pack of mountain dew and a fresh pack of cigs.

    I don't feel bad that dude struggles to make ends meet, nor do I associate with him anymore. I feel bad for the kids, because they didn't have a say in being born.

    But just because someone low income can't pay a ticket, we have to make a billionaire feel the same hurt? Very illogical and unethical to me.

    Proportional for a guy as wealthy as Bezos isn't $50,000 hate to break it to ya. I'm putting into perspective blams "proportional and fair" hot take.

    Bezos gave his ex wife $36 billion and it didn't even make a dent, dude is still the richest man on the face of the Earth.
    First Bolded: Sounds like you just have a terrible opinion of poor people in general.

    Second Bolded: No, it wouldn't be. First, because it would be off his income not his net worth, second, because under the nordic model there is an upper limit where it's capped and a lower limit where it's capped.

    In regards to Jeff Bezos, you realize you're using the wealthiest man on earth as an example. This is going to be implemented for more than simply the wealthiest man on earth, so perhaps you should use an example a lot closer to reality instead of constantly going to the extreme (like saying we're going to fine billions for traffic tickets).

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    First Bolded: Sounds like you just have a terrible opinion of poor people in general.

    Second Bolded: No, it wouldn't be. First, because it would be off his income not his net worth, second, because under the nordic model there is an upper limit where it's capped and a lower limit where it's capped.

    In regards to Jeff Bezos, you realize you're using the wealthiest man on earth as an example. This is going to be implemented for more than simply the wealthiest man on earth, so perhaps you should use an example a lot closer to reality instead of constantly going to the extreme (like saying we're going to fine billions for traffic tickets).
    Scoots and/or blams were the ones talking about Jeff Bezos, I literally just chimed in on the example they were using.

    Annual salary is irrelevant in the context of Bezos or anyone like him. Just millionaires, not even talking billionaires, have 7 streams of income, food for thought for ya. Passive income is how you become rich, not active income.

    Anyway, his "salary" may only be $80,000 but when he owns 75% of the shares in a trillion dollar company, it's a rather moot point.

    A $50 ticket for 5 over, should be a $50 ticket for all, I don't buy into your guys socialistic ideology, because it's pure lunacy.

    If a $50 ticket is making someone miss meals or cut the lights off, there are much bigger fish to fry than trying to hit the collective rich man in the pocket book, because that's what extremists view as "proportional".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    Scoots and/or blams were the ones talking about Jeff Bezos, I literally just chimed in on the example they were using.

    Annual salary is irrelevant in the context of Bezos or anyone like him. Just millionaires, not even talking billionaires, have 7 streams of income, food for thought for ya. Passive income is how you become rich, not active income.

    Anyway, his "salary" may only be $80,000 but when he owns 75% of the shares in a trillion dollar company, it's a rather moot point.

    A $50 ticket for 5 over, should be a $50 ticket for all, I don't buy into your guys socialistic ideology, because it's pure lunacy.

    If a $50 ticket is making someone miss meals or cut the lights off, there are much bigger fish to fry than trying to hit the collective rich man in the pocket book, because that's what extremists view as "proportional".
    I agree. Unfortunately you don't seem like the kind of person who wants to deal with those fish, so here we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    I think it has to be proportional still at that point. 50 dollars to some people can be the difference between food on the table or paying this or that bill.

    If its going to be a punishment, it needs to be proportional imo.
    If it goes to charity I can almost get there, but how you determine someone's fine is a whole privacy and accounting issue. Bezos has never had a salary over $90k so is it based on his salary? If someone works for 15 years earning nothing then one year sells their company and gets .5M then immediately get a ticket should their ticket be 6 times higher than Bezos'? If they sell their company and use the money to pay off the 3 mortgages on their house that they used to keep the business going should they then have to re-mortgage their house to pay their fine?

    It's easy to look at the ultra rich and say **** them it won't make a difference to them, but the real pain usually happens from the middle down where it really matters. Also rich people are MUCH better at hiding their income/wealth.

    Also, if the ticket is unjust it's unjust regardless of your income.

    I would rather just have the fines be small across the board as it doesn't need to be a huge fine to encourage people not to speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    There is literally not one person on this earth saying that. You somehow interpreted it should be proportional to mean we think people should pay billions for a traffic violation.

    What's funny is you don't think a rich person should lose their life's work over a traffic ticket, but you seem to be OK with the current system where many poor people have their lives ruined over a traffic ticket.
    That's actually a good point.

    Maybe not give extraordinary tickets to the wealthy, but poor people should def be given some sort of leeway of some type. I dont know what, but theres gotta be a better way than squeezing already dry people even drier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The word you're looking for is "fair"
    There is no such thing as "fair".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    It makes zero sense to charge any 2 people differently for identical violations.
    There are likely no identical violations. There are always differences.

    I think there is no issue with capping all minor offense fines at $50. Heck, Bezos spending 15 minutes while the cop writes him a ticket is going to cost him a LOT more than it's going to cost me already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Face it, rich people are worth more than poor people.
    True depending on your definition of "worth"

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