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  1. #16
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    johnson. On health alone.

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    any questions?
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Your basically comparing the carrers of an active player vs a retired player.

    We know how Johnsons numbers look, we don't know about Kershaw.

    This is like saying who career would you rather have right now, Kershaw or Shoei Otani....well obviously Kershaw.

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    big unit by far. Kershaw in the playoffs is trash. unit might not be insane in the playoffs like he was the regular season but i cant trust kershaw in the playoffs at all.
    Last edited by More-Than-Most; 06-29-2018 at 02:35 AM.

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    I like the longevity that Johnson brings so I take him but it is close and a win/win situation.

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    Big Unit had a better peak and most likely better longevity considering Kershaw's injury history already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    big unit by far. Kershaw in the playoffs is trash. unit might not be insane in the playoffs like he was the regular season but i cant trust kershaw in the playoffs at all.
    You obviously have only watched a few of Kershaws playoff games. Actually lemme rephrase. You probably have only turned on a few playoff games 4-5 innings into the game. smh

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    Randy Johnson's slider makes Sale's look like child's play. Kershaw is the best pitcher in the game today but he needs to go for a while more before passing the Big Unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgerBlue8188 View Post
    You obviously have only watched a few of Kershaws playoff games. Actually lemme rephrase. You probably have only turned on a few playoff games 4-5 innings into the game. smh
    Well if i turned it on after the 5th he would be on the bench with 4 plus runs delivered so yea you might be right

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgerBlue8188 View Post
    You obviously have only watched a few of Kershaws playoff games. Actually lemme rephrase. You probably have only turned on a few playoff games 4-5 innings into the game. smh
    Lol no

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgerBlue8188 View Post
    You obviously have only watched a few of Kershaws playoff games. Actually lemme rephrase. You probably have only turned on a few playoff games 4-5 innings into the game. smh
    Kershaw has had 19 playoff starts, and only 10 quality starts.

    For a pitching God, that's more than mediocre. He's been tagged for at least 4 runs in 7 of his 19 playoff starts, the other 2 he was short on the innings.

    The Dodgers are 11-8 in his 19 playoff starts

    This is a guy we are comparing to one of the greatest pitchers ever.

    Kershaw's knock are his playoffs, even Dodger fans have to admit he hasn't pitched like he has been expected to in the playoffs.

    Doesn't mean he should continue to be that bad moving forward. But where it stands now, it's less than impressive.

    Johnson at least has some playoff shutouts and 8 inning starts. 11 of his 16 playoff starts are quality. His numbers are a little depressed because of his attempts at 38+

    Fun fact, both have sucked against the Cards in the playoffs
    Johnson 5.14 ERA, Kershaw 6.14 ERA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Kershaw has had 19 playoff starts, and only 10 quality starts.

    For a pitching God, that's more than mediocre. He's been tagged for at least 4 runs in 7 of his 19 playoff starts, the other 2 he was short on the innings.

    The Dodgers are 11-8 in his 19 playoff starts

    This is a guy we are comparing to one of the greatest pitchers ever.

    Kershaw's knock are his playoffs, even Dodger fans have to admit he hasn't pitched like he has been expected to in the playoffs.

    Doesn't mean he should continue to be that bad moving forward. But where it stands now, it's less than impressive.

    Johnson at least has some playoff shutouts and 8 inning starts. 11 of his 16 playoff starts are quality. His numbers are a little depressed because of his attempts at 38+

    Fun fact, both have sucked against the Cards in the playoffs
    Johnson 5.14 ERA, Kershaw 6.14 ERA
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post

    This is like saying who career would you rather have right now, Kershaw or Shoei Otani....well obviously Kershaw.
    No, its not like that at all. Kershaw has had more than enough time in the big leagues. Ohtani has had less than half of a season.

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    One thing to notice a Randy Johnson is that he didn't reach the big leagues until age 25. And he wasn't an elite pitcher until age 30. So in 1993, most people would think you're nuts if you were to tell them that Randy Johnson would win 300 games. Kershaw was up at age 20 and won a Cy Young Award at 23.
    Last edited by dodgerdave; 06-30-2018 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    This is like saying who career would you rather have right now, Kershaw or Shoei Otani....well obviously Kershaw.
    No, Kershaw has thrown 48.1% of the innings Johnson has in his career.

    Ohtani has thrown 2.5% of the innings Kershaw has in his career.

    Yes, Kershaw isn't done and should have plenty of years left. But he has been around awhile.

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