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    Randy Johnson or Clayton Kershaw?

    Help me with reasoning for an internal argument!


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    Has Kershaw ever killed a bird with a pitch? Didnít think so.

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    Kershaw won't have the Big Unit's longevity. That's for damn sure.

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    Big Unit was arguably the greatest of all time alongside Maddux...Iíll take him in a heartbeat.

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    Randy for longevity, Kershaw hasn't even thrown half as many career innings as Johnson yet.

    Kershaw has been more effective per inning. But there are a few things to remember there.

    1. Randy took a long time to gain control over his pitching, he was particularly ineffective until he was 30. He threw 1073 innings at a 3.73 ERA before turning 30. This gives him more career innings, but really hurts his career slash numbers.
    2. Kershaw is in one of the most favorable parks and leagues (era's) and Johnson pitched throughout the most effective hitters era and pitched in several hitters parks.

    That said, Kershaw still has strong park factors.

    Either way, it doesn't matter until Kershaw throws another like 1500-2000 innings.
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    Randy Johnson from 1993-2004 - 197-80 - 2.78 ERA/2.69 FIP - 87.5 fWAR - 2550 innings - 61 ERA-, 59 FIP-

    This was Johnson's peak

    It's hard to really know Kershaw's peak because he is probably still in it.

    But I'll say 2009-today

    Kershaw - 140-63 - 2.27 ERA/2.54 FIP - 57.5 fWAR - 1879.1 innings - 60 ERA-, 65 FIP-


    Give me Randy all day, but Kershaw's story isn't over yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Nut Kruk View Post
    Has Kershaw ever killed a bird with a pitch? Didnít think so.
    Nor did he throw one over you in an All-Star game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chi-townlove1 View Post
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    Hated watching Johnson throw, so from an aesthetic perspective, Kershaw all day and night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Hated watching Johnson throw, so from an aesthetic perspective, Kershaw all day and night.
    Yeah because that's a reason to determine who is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Nut Kruk View Post
    Has Kershaw ever killed a bird with a pitch? Didnít think so.
    CK also never made your profile pic run away from an All-Star at-bat with his tail between his legs either.

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    I have a feeling Randy will get more vote here because of longevity but if your gonna compare peaks..like a 6 or 7 year peak, there is really nobody other than Pedro that can compare. Unless you go back 50 years you can also throw in Seaver and Koufax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Yeah because that's a reason to determine who is better.
    1. I didn't use it as a reason to determine who was better. I explained the basis of my selection.
    2. The OP didn't ask which was better. The OP asked people to pick one or the other without guidelines.
    Last edited by Dugmet; 06-28-2018 at 12:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    Nor did he throw one over you in an All-Star game.
    Excellent point

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