At Least We’re Winning the War on the Envirnoment

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When you watch him from 2008 and compare to today, you don't say, hey he's just stuttering a little more. That's so ridiculous.

People simply shouldn't age. Especially elderly people and even moreso those elected to be POTUS. It's unfathomable that the people of this country continue to let this sort of thing happen.

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You say wow! Who the **** is this incompressible moron. He can't even atare his way out of a stage left door without assistance. Dude is jacked in the head. Moreso than 45 and it's not even a comparison.

Have another drink, chief. We all get how frustrating it is that the POTUS can't even be compressed (let alone atare his way out of a stage left door).

Just try not to break another computer keyboard.

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Oh **** I made a typo. Better get on that nate.

Generally, that's Chief Moron's job.

[natepro]

I am well aware of the hog farms in Iowa. That is not what this discussion is about, however. We were talking about clean energy and Iowa does well there.
I agree that hog farms need to be re-vamped. Our hogs live in a pasture. Even the finishing hogs have fresh air. I do not like "factory-farms".
Until you can come up with an electric combine and tractor that can handle tillage, planting and harvest, we will continue to utilize diesel engines. We use a lot of bio-diesel (made from soybean oil). The exhaust smells like a popcorn popper.

Like this?

Or this?

The idea that the discussion was only about "clean energy" is an obviously false one as well.

I believe I asked this earlier, but even if you don't "believe" in climate change (it's not a religion), what do you have against environmentally conscious decisions like moving to solar/wind energy? Using electric cars? Changing the materials we use for everyday products?

Because someone has to pay for it. They'd rather pass it down to future generations to address it. That's modern politicians at work. Ignore/kick the can down the road until its hits some critical juncture where cost becomes exponentially more and it can arguably be too late to do anything substantial.

Nothing. I like solar and wind energy. We use a lot of both around my town.

From your previous posts, it seems you lean (and thus vote) right. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the basis of climate change alone, it seems counterintuitive to vote for those actively ignoring a growing problem. And that problem is going to affect us regular folk more than the politicians and their rich friends.

None of that is only about "clean energy."

[Raps18-19 Champ]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bnn...31134.amp.html

Hopefully leads to more nuclear plants being built.

[catman]

Like this?

Or this?

The idea that the discussion was only about "clean energy" is an obviously false one as well.





None of that is only about "clean energy."

Thank you for pointing this out to me, nate. I have not seen or heard much about electric combines. I will do some reading on them.

[WES445]

We can close this thread, we won the environment loss. Some Europeans are thinking about wood heating this winter and various countries are revving up their old coal power plants. The present need is dominating this issue now. The growing noise from third-world countries is them demanding climate aid from major powers and western nations to combat climate change in their countries like Pakistan where one-third of their nation was flooded. That must have gotten a good laugh in the first countries world.

Word of advice. Save yourselves some grief and don't ask for what won't be given.

[Crovash]

The Earth will have her revenge, served hot, not cold.

[catman]

The Earth will have her revenge, served hot, not cold.

I agree. The Earth will survive. We may or may not.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

Can't imagine all the "activist" throwing stuff at art paintings helped the cause.

[nyyfan555]

Can't imagine all the "activist" throwing stuff at art paintings helped the cause.

Yeah, it just diminishes the seriousness of the matter. We need to focus on ways to educate people on the issue because right now the deniers are very misinformed and leaning on the word of their favorite conspiracy theorist/wannabe scientist. We've had posters on here cite websites that were directly funded by coal and oil companies.

We have to improve education to build critical thinkers who can research, understand complex ideas, and filter out the nonsense.

Another part of this is removing the hyper partisan nature of our society. One does not have to simply believe something just because your side pushes it. That's how we end up with people trying to say that 3% of scientists denying climate change is significant enough to change their opinion.

[Hawkeye15]

I agree. The Earth will survive. We may or may not.

yep, and sadly we will pass this doomsday scenario to our children and their children

[Hawkeye15]

Yeah, it just diminishes the seriousness of the matter. We need to focus on ways to educate people on the issue because right now the deniers are very misinformed and leaning on the word of their favorite conspiracy theorist/wannabe scientist. We've had posters on here cite websites that were directly funded by coal and oil companies.

We have to improve education to build critical thinkers who can research, understand complex ideas, and filter out the nonsense.

Another part of this is removing the hyper partisan nature of our society. One does not have to simply believe something just because your side pushes it. That's how we end up with people trying to say that 3% of scientists denying climate change is significant enough to change their opinion.

to be fair, we always need that small portion of people who question everything. We just also need those people to be critical thinkers who are questioning it for a valid reason, not just because it's what they do..

[mike_noodles]

The Earth will have her revenge, served hot, not cold.

Some of it might be cold. Ice storms are a ***** and we’ve been getting more of them. Likely because the temps hang around the freezing mark more than they used to.

[valade16]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-exx...190741563.html

Exxon’s own data showed that human activity would warm the planet as far back as 1977 and they denied it as recently as 2013.

They knew and lied about it for over 30 years.