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    Dems are Pleased with Midterm Results

    For the last two years, the Dems have been doing this pathetic dance that fools no one (with any intelligence).

    They say they couldn't pass the legislation they wanted even tho' they controlled the House, Senate and the White House because of two Dem senators: Sinema and Manchin

    Where there's a Will there's a Way. And there was no will in the Democratic party to fight Sinema's and Manchin's blocking of legislation.

    The Way would have been what any party leaders do to to keep their members in line: Cut off every nickel of funding to them by the party and threaten to spend a fortune on primary-ing them in the next election. This was never done to Sinema and Manchin. The reason: the Dems were more than happy NOT to pass legislation that would help the general public against the wishes of their masters, the 1%. Sinema and Manchin would have caved in a heartbeat as feeding at the party trough is what all of these political whores in congress live for.

    The reason that the Dems are pleased with the outcome of the midterms is that they don't have to do this fake idiot dance making believe they can't control Manchin and Sinema any more.

    Now that the Republicans own the House, the Dems have an easy peasy built in excuse: It's the Republicans. Done.

    There is still a large part of the idiot Democratic base who still buy this BS dance apparently. What fools they are!
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    Interestingly, Manchin actually came out with a whole lot more pork to take home as a direct result of his intransigence.

    I guess it pays not to play.

    Whether this was intentional on the part of the Democrats, I donít know ó I think not ó but in any event, LBJíd probably be turning over in his grave to see how politically flaccid his partyís leadership has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    For the last two years, the Dems have been doing this pathetic dance that fools no one (with any intelligence).

    They say they couldn't pass the legislation they wanted even tho' they controlled the House, Senate and the White House because of two Dem senators: Sinema and Manchin

    Where there's a Will there's a Way. And there was no will in the Democratic party to fight Sinema's and Manchin's blocking of legislation.

    The Way would have been what any party leaders do to to keep their members in line: Cut off every nickel of funding to them by the party and threaten to spend a fortune on primary-ing them in the next election. This was never done to Sinema and Manchin. The reason: the Dems were more than happy NOT to pass legislation that would help the general public against the wishes of their masters, the 1%. Sinema and Manchin would have caved in a heartbeat as feeding at the party trough is what all of these political whores in congress live for.

    The reason that the Dems are pleased with the outcome of the midterms is that they don't have to do this fake idiot dance making believe they can't control Manchin and Sinema any more.

    Now that the Republicans own the House, the Dems have an easy peasy built in excuse: It's the Republicans. Done.

    There is still a large part of the idiot Democratic base who still buy this BS dance apparently. What fools they are!
    Whoever said that (and believed it) is entirely ignorant. The Democrats have passed plenty of legislation.

    Acting like legislation like the CHIPS Act, the Infrastructure bill, and gun legislation (I believe it to be an extremely weak bill but the fact that they got Republicans to vote for it is remarkable) didn't happen. Then there's lesser discussed but still incredibly important bipartisan legislation. Republicans have long talked about how the Uyghur are being abused in China and we needed to do something. Guess what Biden did, he signed a bill that barred any product made with Uyghur slave labor from being imported into this country. He made Juneteenth a federal holiday to honor the date of true independence for roughly 1/6th of the country.

    Sure some of the more partisan legislation that I would love to see didn't get signed. But the notion that he hasn't done anything is...well the word ignorant is the exact right word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Whoever said that (and believed it) is entirely ignorant. The Democrats have passed plenty of legislation.

    Acting like legislation like the CHIPS Act, the Infrastructure bill, and gun legislation (I believe it to be an extremely weak bill but the fact that they got Republicans to vote for it is remarkable) didn't happen. Then there's lesser discussed but still incredibly important bipartisan legislation. Republicans have long talked about how the Uyghur are being abused in China and we needed to do something. Guess what Biden did, he signed a bill that barred any product made with Uyghur slave labor from being imported into this country. He made Juneteenth a federal holiday to honor the date of true independence for roughly 1/6th of the country.

    Sure some of the more partisan legislation that I would love to see didn't get signed. But the notion that he hasn't done anything is...well the word ignorant is the exact right word.
    No, it isn't entirely ignorant or ignorant in itself. It's a matter of what one expects from the Democrats. It's a half-empty or half-full argument.
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    It's based on the faulty premise that Democrats had any leverage over Manchin. They didn't. The OP's suggestion they cut off funding and primary him in the next election is borderline insane considering he's in West Virginia. They can't just pick whichever Democrat they want and have them defeat him and win the election, that Manchin has the seat at all is a small miracle.

    So threatening Manchin to cutoff his funding and give his seat to the Republicans is not only not a threat, it's actively more damaging to their interests than Manchins...

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It's based on the faulty premise that Democrats had any leverage over Manchin. They didn't. The OP's suggestion they cut off funding and primary him in the next election is borderline insane considering he's in West Virginia. They can't just pick whichever Democrat they want and have them defeat him and win the election, that Manchin has the seat at all is a small miracle.

    So threatening Manchin to cutoff his funding and give his seat to the Republicans is not only not a threat, it's actively more damaging to their interests than Manchins...
    I've said this so many times, and the people that make posts like the OP's have no interest in hearing it.


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    Yeah, their best bet has always been trying to gain another seat or two to make Sinema and Manchin's votes less meaningful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    Yeah, their best bet has always been trying to gain another seat or two to make Sinema and Manchin's votes less meaningful.
    Exactly. In a perfect world it wouldn't be, but people like to ignore the electoral realty of the different states. The fact that there's a blue seat in WV is crazy; the fact that it's a weak blue like Manchin shouldn't be terribly surprising because, again, WV.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nyyfan555 View Post
    Yeah, their best bet has always been trying to gain another seat or two to make Sinema and Manchin's votes less meaningful.
    The RNC might be gunning for Manchin's seat in 2024, as an easy target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    The RNC might be gunning for Manchin's seat in 2024, as an easy target.
    It's hard to believe that West Virginia was one of the bluest states in the nation just 20-25 years ago. Now it's one of the reddest. Manchin is just a holdover from those older times. His replacement (whenever that is) will be a Republican, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    The RNC might be gunning for Manchin's seat in 2024, as an easy target.
    The best thing for Manchin can be to become the 51st senator. Now they can do a wink and a nod when he votes against stuff the Dems want. Heís incredibly popular back home because of how he stands up to the Democrats. Itís sort of a weird dance. The people like all that government socialism but donít like other people getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    The best thing for Manchin can be to become the 51st senator. Now they can do a wink and a nod when he votes against stuff the Dems want. Heís incredibly popular back home because of how he stands up to the Democrats. Itís sort of a weird dance. The people like all that government socialism but donít like other people getting it.
    He's effectively useless to the DNC. His needs to be re-elected, to please his republican voting supporters, he got to run counter to his party policies.
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    You all Have Completely Missed the Point

    This thread has degenerated into some sort of BS Democratic if only Manchin and Sinema were
    "real" Democrats, boy would the Democrats have gotten something done over the last two years.

    Utter 100% nonsense. The Democrats serve the 1% just as much as the Republicans do to slobber over rich donor bribe money. It's the main reason that there has been a race to the bottom for the last thirty years to see who can slobber more for that money.

    The idea that Democrats would have done anything for the 99% of us over the last two years if we had a cooperative Manchin and Sinema is not living in reality.

    And thinking that the watered down crap legislation that basically gave us nothing was some sort of coup for the Democrats is just plain nuts.

    Very disappointed in the posters here. Big Time Clueless as to what the Democratic Party is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    This thread has degenerated into some sort of BS Democratic if only Manchin and Sinema were
    "real" Democrats, boy would the Democrats have gotten something done over the last two years.


    Utter 100% nonsense. The Democrats serve the 1% just as much as the Republicans do to slobber over rich donor bribe money. It's the main reason that there has been a race to the bottom for the last thirty years to see who can slobber more for that money.

    The idea that Democrats would have done anything for the 99% of us over the last two years if we had a cooperative Manchin and Sinema is not living in reality.

    And thinking that the watered down crap legislation that basically gave us nothing was some sort of coup for the Democrats is just plain nuts.

    Very disappointed in the posters here. Big Time Clueless as to what the Democratic Party is all about.
    Literally not a single post here has been even close to that. The posters here may be clueless as to what the Democratic Party is all about, but no one is clueless as to what you are about with this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    This thread has degenerated into some sort of BS Democratic if only Manchin and Sinema were
    "real" Democrats, boy would the Democrats have gotten something done over the last two years.

    Utter 100% nonsense. The Democrats serve the 1% just as much as the Republicans do to slobber over rich donor bribe money. It's the main reason that there has been a race to the bottom for the last thirty years to see who can slobber more for that money.

    The idea that Democrats would have done anything for the 99% of us over the last two years if we had a cooperative Manchin and Sinema is not living in reality.

    And thinking that the watered down crap legislation that basically gave us nothing was some sort of coup for the Democrats is just plain nuts.

    Very disappointed in the posters here. Big Time Clueless as to what the Democratic Party is all about.
    I'm going to lose so much sleep over you being disappointed in me.


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