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  1. #1
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    Letís Talk Expansion

    Just finished watching the Mets play the Blue Jays in a May game.

    Commissioner Rob Manfred has said Baseball can expand to 32 teams very soon.

    Portland, Mexico, and Montreal are being floated as possible destinations.

    Would you like to see it happen?

    Where would you put two teams?

    I would, most certainly. I am a fan of expansion, putting the DH in the NL, schedule change, and realigning the divisions.

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    I'd like to see it happen and have an even 16 teams in each league, 4 divisions of 4 teams each.

    I don't care where they go.

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    Letís Talk Expansion

    Im al for adding two more teams. I see Portland and Vegas being real possibilities.


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    No thanks

    "there's no scraps in my scrapbook"

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    I think Portland is an inevitably based on how it seems to be the first place everyone goes to in regards to expansion.

    I also think that a place like North Carolina, Mexico, or Montreal could be possible.

    4 divisions of 4 teams could work, but would the divisions just be north, south, east, and west respectively and if so would the teams affect that? Iím assuming you would want the divisions to be as geographically close as possible but this is what I could come up with


    AL West:

    Angels
    Athletics
    Rangers
    Mariners

    AL North:


    Twins
    White Sox
    Tigers
    Blue Jays

    AL South:

    Astros
    Royals
    Rays
    North Carolina

    AL East

    Yankees
    Red Sox
    Orioles
    Indians

    NL West

    Dodgers
    Giants
    Padres
    Dbacks

    NL North

    Cubs
    Brewers
    Reds
    Expansion team

    NL South

    Rockies
    Marlins
    Braves
    Cardinals

    NL East

    Mets
    Nationals
    Phillies
    Pirates

    Only thing is that I donít like moving the Astros again, breaking up the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry, sticking the Rockies in different time zones more often than not BUT it could always be tweaked if you believe certain teams should be in other the other league.

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    Four team divisions would suck IMO. Better to leave well enough alone, or just seriously consider moving TB to Montreal and leave them in the AL East. A Jays/Expos (Rays) divisional rivalry would be nice.
    "They throw the ball, I hit it. They hit the ball, I catch it." - Willie Mays

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    Nah,pitching would seem to take a huge hit and that wouldn't be good.

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    Charlotte is prime territory. I think the fastest growing city in USA?


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    In Hockey expansion has worked well for the Las Vegas Golden Knights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Charlotte is prime territory. I think the fastest growing city in USA?


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    They've got some top employers with headquarters there
    Wells Fargo, AA, Bank of America, Lowe's, etc.

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    If I had autonomy....

    I would suggest Montreal and Nashville or Portland (leaning Nashville, that's baseball country with no teams particularly close - most people in Tennessee split between the Reds, Cards, and Braves)

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    I would love to see expansion to even out the Leagues; another Southern team (would be nice as well).

    My main concern is quality of players; we have eight teams sub 0.400 win percentage right now with at least a handful of them seemingly tanking for the sole purpose of pursuing draft picks.

    MLB needs to fix amateur and international draft rules first; I have no interest in watching two AAA teams added to already flagging divisional basements.
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    The idea of expansion is very interesting and I generally support it, however I would like a clear path on the Rays and A's locations/parks before anything is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    I think Portland is an inevitably based on how it seems to be the first place everyone goes to in regards to expansion.

    I also think that a place like North Carolina, Mexico, or Montreal could be possible.

    4 divisions of 4 teams could work, but would the divisions just be north, south, east, and west respectively and if so would the teams affect that? Iím assuming you would want the divisions to be as geographically close as possible but this is what I could come up with


    AL West:

    Angels
    Athletics
    Rangers
    Mariners

    AL North:


    Twins
    White Sox
    Tigers
    Blue Jays

    AL South:

    Astros
    Royals
    Rays
    North Carolina

    AL East

    Yankees
    Red Sox
    Orioles
    Indians

    NL West

    Dodgers
    Giants
    Padres
    Dbacks

    NL North

    Cubs
    Brewers
    Reds
    Expansion team

    NL South

    Rockies
    Marlins
    Braves
    Cardinals

    NL East

    Mets
    Nationals
    Phillies
    Pirates

    Only thing is that I donít like moving the Astros again, breaking up the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry, sticking the Rockies in different time zones more often than not BUT it could always be tweaked if you believe certain teams should be in other the other league.
    I've messed around with this in OOTP, and here is what I did

    North, West, South, and East divisions, each league has 16 teams - 4 divisions

    Each division winner automatically makes the playoffs, and then 2 more wild card winners, and the playoffs are seeded 1-6)

    Playoff format

    Seeds 1 and 2 get a bye
    Seed 3 hosts Seed 6 in a playoff game
    Seed 4 hosts Seed 5 in a playoff game

    Seed 1 hosts winner of seed 4 and 5 in a best of 7
    Seed 2 hosts winner of seed 3 and 6 in a best of 7

    Winners of those seeds meet in the LCS
    Winners of those series, play the World Series

    Adds 2 days to the playoffs from start to finish.

    If we added Montreal and Portland...here is one way to do it.


    You could spend more time with geography and rivalries you don't want to break up to make it right, but I have:

    AL East
    Baltimore
    Boston
    New York
    Toronto

    North
    Chicago
    Cleveland
    Detroit
    Minnesota

    West
    Anaheim
    Oakland
    Portland
    Seattle

    South
    Houston
    Kansas City
    Tampa Bay
    Texas

    National League

    East
    Montreal
    New York
    Philadelphia
    Washington

    North
    Chicago
    Cincinnati
    Milwaukee
    Pittsburgh

    West
    Colorado
    Los Angeles
    San Diego
    San Francisco

    South
    Arizona
    Atlana
    Miami
    St. Louis


    Rivalries broken up: Chicago and St. Louis
    Furthest travel
    Arizona and Miami and Tampa Bay and Kansas City - could maybe put Miami and Tampa in the same league and Kansas City and Arizona in the same league to remove that problem, then you just have one rivalry upset.

    So, it could certainly be fine tuned where you don't break up that rivalry and maybe can limit that travel a little better by mixing some of this up or having some teams switch leagues.

    Then playoffs would look like this, just as a random sim:

    AL East
    Boston - 100-62 (2 seed)
    New York - 92-70 (6 seed)
    Toronto - 80-82
    Baltimore - 79-83

    AL North
    Minnesota - 95-67 (3 seed)
    Cleveland - 90-72
    Detroit - 66-96
    Chicago - 63-99

    AL West
    Los Angeles - 78-84 (4 seed)
    Oakland - 77-85
    Seattle - 77-85
    Portland - 62-100

    AL South
    Houston - 104-58 (1 seed)
    Tampa - 97-95 (5 seed)
    Texas - 77-85
    Kansas City - 56-106


    NL East
    Philadelphia - 90-72 (4 seed)
    Washington - 86-76 (6 seed)
    New York - 72-90
    Montreal - 65-97

    NL Central
    Chicago - 102-60 (2 seed)
    Cincinnati - 74-88
    Milwaukee - 70-92
    Pittsburgh - 68-94

    NL West
    Los Angeles - 104-58 (1 seed)
    San Francisco - 95-67 (5 seed)
    Colorado - 81-81
    San Diego - 69-93

    NL South
    Arizona - 100-62 (3 seed)
    Atlanta - 82-80
    Miami - 72-90
    St. Louis - 69-93




    AL West is the really interesting part. You gotta beat your division, which the Angels barely do, even though they are under .500. That keeps that divisional race alive all year long. Tampa and LA would have to play in the playoff game regardless. Cleveland misses the playoffs by 2 games, despite winning 12 more games than the Angels. Win your division, if you go straight seeding, then you don't need divisions and won't have playoff fights in September.

    NL is more consistent, Atlanta missed playoffs by 4 games, that was the only race toward the end.

    LA hosts Tampa in wild card game
    Minneosta hosts New York in wild card game

    Philadelphia hosts San Francisco in wild card game
    Arizona hosts Washington in wild card game

    Then Astros host winner of LA/TB
    Boston hosts winner of NYY/MIN

    LAD hosts winner of SF/PHI
    and CHC hosts winner of ARZ/WAS


    When I've done this in OOTP, you won't believe the number of playoff battles in September. The NL would be unusual for this simulated year.
    Last edited by Jeffy25; 05-16-2018 at 05:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Charlotte is prime territory. I think the fastest growing city in USA?


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    I remember hearing from someone that the AAA park downtown has a foundation that can actually be built up to take on a larger park. Not sure if that is true.

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