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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Only one person picked The Glove over Steph. Really goes to show how many people actually watched GP play. Steph wouldnt be able to breathe with GP on him and hed get backed down on every possession. And Im a Steph fan.
    Payton would benefit from a half-court 1 on 1 game, because Curry wouldn't get those open looks from 30+ feet that he gets in transition. But the guy doesn't always need space to drill a jumper. And as good as Payton was defensively, he wasn't ever really an elite offensive player or shooter. I just don't think he keeps up with Steph trading twos for threes.

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    Just trust me, Hou wont make it all the way to the WCF 😉
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    Houston may make the WCF again, but barring injuries they are no longer a serious threat this year imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Beat me to it. Who the hell plays a game up to 32? Are baskets worth 3 and 4 points?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Payton would benefit from a half-court 1 on 1 game, because Curry wouldn't get those open looks from 30+ feet that he gets in transition. But the guy doesn't always need space to drill a jumper. And as good as Payton was defensively, he wasn't ever really an elite offensive player or shooter. I just don't think he keeps up with Steph trading twos for threes.
    I understand Steph doesn't always need space but he's never been defended by anyone of GP's calibre. I honestly think he'd give him fits. He's arguably the best defensive PG ever.

    GP wasn't an elite offensive player or shooter but he had a killer post up game. No way Steph would be able to defend GP in the post. Not a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Only one person picked The Glove over Steph. Really goes to show how many people actually watched GP play. Steph wouldnt be able to breathe with GP on him and hed get backed down on every possession. And Im a Steph fan.
    Hell Im a huge Steph fan but Payton would probably win this by a good margin. However if it was best of 5, then I can see Steph winning

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Payton would benefit from a half-court 1 on 1 game, because Curry wouldn't get those open looks from 30+ feet that he gets in transition. But the guy doesn't always need space to drill a jumper. And as good as Payton was defensively, he wasn't ever really an elite offensive player or shooter. I just don't think he keeps up with Steph trading twos for threes.
    I agree Payton benefits from a 1 on 1 half court matchup. But in terms of him being elite offensively, please see 93-94 through 01-02. Hes elite at everything but the 3 ball. Not sure why you just said that

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    I understand Steph doesn't always need space but he's never been defended by anyone of GP's calibre. I honestly think he'd give him fits. He's arguably the best defensive PG ever.

    GP wasn't an elite offensive player or shooter but he had a killer post up game. No way Steph would be able to defend GP in the post. Not a chance.
    The absolute best defensive point guard. And extremely tough. Hes a tougher, more physical, smarter and bigger version of Patrick Beverly on steroids. And hes literally a master at playing mind games.

    In terms of him being elite, for a small in the era he played he regularly shout about 50% or higher from 2. His 3 ball game is lacking but not necessary in a one on one with Steph since hed take him to the rack and post him up like you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    I understand Steph doesn't always need space but he's never been defended by anyone of GP's calibre. I honestly think he'd give him fits. He's arguably the best defensive PG ever.

    GP wasn't an elite offensive player or shooter but he had a killer post up game. No way Steph would be able to defend GP in the post. Not a chance.
    That's true, and I don't know that Curry could create himself enough space to get shots off, and certainly wouldn't be able to board his own misses. Curry still needs picks and space, even if he is a master at creating his own space and can make insane shots.

    Payton would just back him down and score easily because Curry could never guard that. And if it's make it take it, it's over. If you have to alternate possessions, maybe Curry can drive and step back enough to hit enough 3's to get there first (especially if scored by 1's and 2's where the 3 has a higher value).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Tim Duncan vs Kevin Garnett: Duncan has traditionally owned KG in head-to-head matchups.
    Larry Bird vs Magic Johnson: Magic can't pass to himself, and Bird's shooting and size would make him tough to guard in a 1 on 1 matchup.
    Shaq vs Hakeem: Shaq is more physically dominant, but I don't see him handling Hakeem's athleticism well 1 on 1. Whereas Shaq isn't going to confuse Hakeem, and Olajuwon's not exactly someone you can bulldoze.
    Ewing vs Robinson: Slight edge to Robinson here. He was just the more athletic, physically dominant player in their primes offensively.
    Charles Barkley vs Karl Malone: Karl Malone blows. Enough said.
    Wade vs Dirk: Dirk's length and shooting would be tough for Wade to match up, but I can't see Dirk keeping up with Wade's athleticism.
    Kobe vs Lebron: Lebron's size and ability to score from anywhere on the floor at a hyper-efficient pace would just be too much for Kobe. God this one would be fun to watch, though.
    Kareem vs Wilt: I'd give a slight edge to Kareem here, as he was probably the more versatile scorer.
    Durant vs Dr. J: This is the first one that strikes me as a legitimate mismatch. Durant's length and shooting would be impossible for Dr. J to match. And Durant's length would be a problem for Erving regardless of his athleticism.
    Curry vs Payton: Another mismatch for me. Payton is an elite defender, but Curry is unguardable beyond the arc. Once he starts nailing 30-footers, this one would be over in a hurry. Payton doesn't have the scoring chops to keep up 1 on 1.
    WE agreed on all but Wilt vs Kareem

    And I can be talked into Kareem due to versatility, but I don't see Kareem actually bothering Wilt when he attacks the basket enough.

    I may need to change my opinion on Curry vs Payton though. Johnson had some good points.

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    Tim Duncan vs Kevin Garnett

    Larry Bird vs Magic Johnson

    Shaq vs Hakeem

    P.Ewing vs D.Robinson

    Charles Barkley vs Karl Malone

    Dwyane Wade vs Dirk - 7 footer v 6'4 guard like really? why this random matchup? because of the 2011 finals? dumb

    Kobe vs Lebron

    Kareem vs Wilt

    Durant vs Dr J

    Steph Curry vs Gary Payton


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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Tim Duncan vs Kevin Garnett: Duncan has traditionally owned KG in head-to-head matchups.
    Larry Bird vs Magic Johnson: Magic can't pass to himself, and Bird's shooting and size would make him tough to guard in a 1 on 1 matchup.
    Shaq vs Hakeem: Shaq is more physically dominant, but I don't see him handling Hakeem's athleticism well 1 on 1. Whereas Shaq isn't going to confuse Hakeem, and Olajuwon's not exactly someone you can bulldoze.
    Ewing vs Robinson: Slight edge to Robinson here. He was just the more athletic, physically dominant player in their primes offensively.
    Charles Barkley vs Karl Malone: Karl Malone blows. Enough said.
    Wade vs Dirk: Dirk's length and shooting would be tough for Wade to match up, but I can't see Dirk keeping up with Wade's athleticism.
    Kobe vs Lebron: Lebron's size and ability to score from anywhere on the floor at a hyper-efficient pace would just be too much for Kobe. God this one would be fun to watch, though.
    Kareem vs Wilt: I'd give a slight edge to Kareem here, as he was probably the more versatile scorer.
    Durant vs Dr. J: This is the first one that strikes me as a legitimate mismatch. Durant's length and shooting would be impossible for Dr. J to match. And Durant's length would be a problem for Erving regardless of his athleticism.
    Curry vs Payton: Another mismatch for me. Payton is an elite defender, but Curry is unguardable beyond the arc. Once he starts nailing 30-footers, this one would be over in a hurry. Payton doesn't have the scoring chops to keep up 1 on 1.
    Your hatred of Malone runs so deep! I love it though. We all have players that we love to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLbeans View Post
    I agree Payton benefits from a 1 on 1 half court matchup. But in terms of him being elite offensively, please see 93-94 through 01-02. Hes elite at everything but the 3 ball. Not sure why you just said that
    His best scoring season of his career (99-2000), he averaged 24.2 points per game on 20.3 shots with a super underwhelming 53.5% TS%. To put that into perspective, eight different guys topped that number in scoring this season, and all of them but Westbrook (who clearly had an off year) boasted far better efficiency numbers. I'm sorry, but the guy was a volume scorer with a career TS% of 52.8%.

    And if he was a volume scorer putting up Kobe or Melo type scoring numbers, we could maybe talk about him being an elite scorer. But he wasn't, at least not historically. Within the context of a single year, you might call him elite, but historically he's not close. He was elite offensively as a creator for others, but not as a scorer.

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    Just trust me, Hou wont make it all the way to the WCF 😉
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    Houston may make the WCF again, but barring injuries they are no longer a serious threat this year imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Beat me to it. Who the hell plays a game up to 32? Are baskets worth 3 and 4 points?
    This is how you play growing up with 2's and 3's. You must never have played basketball.
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    I put Payton vs Curry because in a one on one Payton would be all up on him. So I wonder how often Curry can get shots off on it.
    "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    His best scoring season of his career (99-2000), he averaged 24.2 points per game on 20.3 shots with a super underwhelming 53.5% TS%. To put that into perspective, eight different guys topped that number in scoring this season, and all of them but Westbrook (who clearly had an off year) boasted far better efficiency numbers. I'm sorry, but the guy was a volume scorer with a career TS% of 52.8%.

    And if he was a volume scorer putting up Kobe or Melo type scoring numbers, we could maybe talk about him being an elite scorer. But he wasn't, at least not historically. Within the context of a single year, you might call him elite, but historically he's not close. He was elite offensively as a creator for others, but not as a scorer.
    Malone had value in two ways.

    Volume scoring (though, like you said, not efficient) and insane durability....he played a ton of years and minutes. So those counting stats really got up there.

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    32? What a random *** number. What happened to 11 or 21?

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