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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
    Congrats to Casey on COY... but it's time to give stackhouse a shot. no - i have no idea if he can actually coach, but he comes up in discussions for other teams and that gives me some measure of confidence - and he brings that attitude that this team needs. Stackhouse was one of those guys who thought he was great even though he wasn't. Now this team, has 2 B stars in Kyle and Demar, who stumble time and time again when we run up against teams with A star players. The Pacers also have a B star in Oladipo, but he has that irrational confidence or swagger that you need with B stars. They don't play in awe, or afraid. Again, Stackhouse was one of those guys. Casey, for all his great qualities is extremely humble. This team needs Charlie Sheen with basketball experience to coax that irrational confidence out of the 'nice guys' when they come up against the superstar teams. IMO.
    The Pacers did better because they play physical and match up better against the Cavs... Stackhouse has been a fine coach for the 905 but again we could have Pops as head coach, THIS roster isnít surpassing Lebron and the Cavs.. weíre fooling ourselves to believe anything other wise. Itís the players man we all know it.. they choke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    The Pacers did better because they play physical and match up better against the Cavs... Stackhouse has been a fine coach for the 905 but again we could have Pops as head coach, THIS roster isnít surpassing Lebron and the Cavs.. weíre fooling ourselves to believe anything other wise. Itís the players man we all know it.. they choke!
    I don't know, this team consistently looks unprepared or poorly coached in the playoffs. Some of it is the players but I don't see major change as viable or even sane given the amount of success we have enjoyed. So if you can't do much personnel wise I think you need to find someone who coaches a little more flexibly or gets the guys who are here past that mental block. That Cavs team is quite beatable, or at least were before we allowed every struggling player on that roster get going.

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    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    I think it comes down to how you answer some questions, and we have no data to answer them authoritatively, so we can guess:

    1) When we're inbounding with 5 seconds to go, and FVV casually walks forward and heaves an awful shot, is it because FVV doesn't listen, or is it that Casey didn't communicate the plan properly?
    2) When Brad Stevens calls a play with 5 seconds to go, and Horford gets a layup, is it because Celtics players listen better, or because Stevens communicates and draws plays better?
    3) When we repeatedly shoot 3-point shots from a mile away to get "two for one", is it because players don't understand the concept, or is it because Casey isn't explaining it properly?

    I personally feel that coach has a big influence on these kinds of things. The feedback from players themselves seems to indicate that (Horford saying "man, when he draws up some of this stuff, I look at him like he's crazy, and then it works", and Demar saying "Casey lets us do whatever as long as we play D")... but, I guess it comes down to a hunch. If you think players are failing to execute what Casey is drawing up, and there's no better way to draw it up, then I case see how you'd give him a free pass. If you think it's up to the coach to find a way to communicate and draw plays that players he has can execute, then he needs to take on a good amount of blame.

    We're not talking about missing open shots, or Lebron hitting one-handed runners. We're talking about all those moments when you grab your head and say "what the hell were they thinking?!".

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    Honestly Casey is lucky as **** he won coach of the year. How do you fire a guy after winning the award? I mean within days of winning the ward, it's like unprecedented that a guy gets canned like that. I think the vote of belief from Masai is part media spin, I think there was a good chance he'd have been gone if someone else won the award. It's bad pr to just fire him. OH well it's not a bug deal. GS is winning the next few, if not them then a Bron super team, so riding it out with this core and the coach isn't bad business. People will still pay top dollar after the Raps do so well in the regular season and choke in the playoffs. Ownership will still make a profit with the current structure of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulzar View Post
    The bolded words explain it all.

    Unfortunately, he also brought consistency in playoffs, just not the right kind. The coaching qualities that become much more important in playoffs seem to be sorely lacking in him, and no amount of regular season wins can erase that.
    At this point all that matters is playoff records and we struggle in practically every game we have played. I canít remember blowing anyone away. Thatís what good teams do. I just think the preparation has been the same year in year out with coach Casey in the playoffs. Yes it comes across as he is getting out coached even when we played supposedly lesser talent opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
    Congrats to Casey on COY... but it's time to give stackhouse a shot. no - i have no idea if he can actually coach, but he comes up in discussions for other teams and that gives me some measure of confidence - and he brings that attitude that this team needs. Stackhouse was one of those guys who thought he was great even though he wasn't. Now this team, has 2 B stars in Kyle and Demar, who stumble time and time again when we run up against teams with A star players. The Pacers also have a B star in Oladipo, but he has that irrational confidence or swagger that you need with B stars. They don't play in awe, or afraid. Again, Stackhouse was one of those guys. Casey, for all his great qualities is extremely humble. This team needs Charlie Sheen with basketball experience to coax that irrational confidence out of the 'nice guys' when they come up against the superstar teams. IMO.
    I donít know if stackhouse is the guy but clearly itís time for another voice. Only in basketball do you keep a coach this long. In soccer he would have been canned last year. Great teams have high expectations and thatís how this team should think and itís fans rightfully so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    Honestly Casey is lucky as **** he won coach of the year. How do you fire a guy after winning the award?
    He was just picked by other coaches, it's not the real award. That one hasn't been called yet.

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    I think upon everything discussed the best solution is a change of voice. You just canít stay pat go back at it again with Casey and get eliminated first or second round. The roof will come down. Now if there is a change of coach, it better be for someone who has experience with mental fortitude and can start preaching that stuff and preparing them as if it were playoffs everyday. Someone extremely good with changing game plan quickly to an advantage something Casey fails with every single time.

    Lastly we need another power forward like a mill sap have no clue how we can attain such player. But has to be a three point specialist as well.

    Off season put Lowry and derozan more so in the harshest conditions and train them to get out of it. Send them to navy seals grow some balls and mental fortitude.

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    Casey should be fired just for not even adjusting the defense. The constant switching is impossible to do against a Lebron team. They're just going to keep rotating it on the perimeter and its literally impossible for the guys to constantly switch for 48 mins against a Lebron team.

    Any reasonable coach would have realized this and made some form of adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    A coaching change doesnít really change anything with the same team ... we need roster changes also
    Agreed. That's why i posted what i did at the beginning of the season. I couldnt see any more playoff success. I still watched and admired many things. Weíre the Atlanta Hawks, folks. As much as I love many of our players, and I do, weíre the regular season Hawks, as predicted before the Wiggins draft. Weíll win in the reg season until we donít. It will feel great at times and very bitter come playoff time because thatís when elite players raise their games. We donít have those players and weíre not getting them unless MU pulls off a miracle.

    Not one thing that happened this year should have been a surprise. The team was great at times but doesnt have the elite talent to be a true contender. Great season though. Just forgive them for not being what we hope and imagine they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulzar View Post
    He was just picked by other coaches, it's not the real award. That one hasn't been called yet.
    A vote from coaching peers is pretty real IMO.

    Itís probably time to try another coach. MU canít make the roster changes we need so itís inevitable. DC has likely maxed out what he and the coaches can do to matchup against a superior talent in Lebron. Great effort by the rookie btw this year. Nice pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenfidish View Post
    I donít know if stackhouse is the guy but clearly itís time for another voice. Only in basketball do you keep a coach this long. In soccer he would have been canned last year. Great teams have high expectations and thatís how this team should think and itís fans rightfully so.
    Good thing he wasnít canned last year then. The coaching staff did a masterful job modernizing their offence this year. Often it was beautiful basketball. Tons of admiration for DeMar especially, who refuses to accept his limitations. Glad we saw Casey and coaches pull off this yearís complete re-invention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TO Rapz View Post
    Casey should be fired just for not even adjusting the defense. The constant switching is impossible to do against a Lebron team. They're just going to keep rotating it on the perimeter and its literally impossible for the guys to constantly switch for 48 mins against a Lebron team.

    Any reasonable coach would have realized this and made some form of adjustment.
    IIRC I don't think the Raps hedged on ANY screens set for Lebron this series. Zero effort to avoid the switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Agreed. That's why i posted what i did at the beginning of the season. I couldnt see any more playoff success. I still watched and admired many things. Weíre the Atlanta Hawks, folks. As much as I love many of our players, and I do, weíre the regular season Hawks, as predicted before the Wiggins draft. Weíll win in the reg season until we donít. It will feel great at times and very bitter come playoff time because thatís when elite players raise their games. We donít have those players and weíre not getting them unless MU pulls off a miracle.

    Not one thing that happened this year should have been a surprise. The team was great at times but doesnt have the elite talent to be a true contender. Great season though. Just forgive them for not being what we hope and imagine they are.
    I'm curious how others feel about this comparison. At their best, they were top seed in the Eastern Conference and they started losing their core after consecutive sweeps at the hands of Cleveland. There have been debates about not wanting to become the Hawks previous years in this forum - and that being used as an argument to blow it up. Over the past 2 days I've heard a lot of Mike Budenholzer's name. While I recognize forums have a lot of voices and not all say the same thing, it still rings as slightly ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    A vote from coaching peers is pretty real IMO.

    Itís probably time to try another coach. MU canít make the roster changes we need so itís inevitable. DC has likely maxed out what he and the coaches can do to matchup against a superior talent in Lebron. Great effort by the rookie btw this year. Nice pick.
    Probably our most consistent post-season performer this year. Not sure I've ever said that about a Raptor's rookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    IIRC I don't think the Raps hedged on ANY screens set for Lebron this series. Zero effort to avoid the switch.
    Its stupid man. How do you not learn from last year? When the Cavs gameplan offensively, the first thing they say is lets run these plays all the time because we know well get the matchup we want on a single pick and roll. So ****ing stupid. Theyre not going to change their game plan until we change ours, and we haven't changed ours in 10 games against them. A series/playoff rivalry (if you wana call it that) is a battle of constant adjustments from the coaching staff.

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