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  1. #391
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    Quote Originally Posted by txravis12 View Post
    There definitely might be. Unfortunately I don't have the access to know what is out there.

    I still prefer spezza over a longer term deal on a middle 6 guy that's also on the back-end of his prime.
    Well, Stastny for 1 I'd be willing to give 3 years assuming he can be signed at a reasonable aav. Couturier, Patrick, Stastny, Laughton down the middle? That's pretty solid. Thornton on a 1-2 year deal? I like that better than trading for Spezza. Riley Nash? My interest would again depend on term. Same goes for Bozak or Derek Ryan. Jay Beagle on a 1 year deal on the 4th line would entice me as well. All are options I would explore signing before trading for Spezza. I'm sure there are better options on the trade market as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    Well, Stastny for 1 I'd be willing to give 3 years assuming he can be signed at a reasonable aav. Couturier, Patrick, Stastny, Laughton down the middle? That's pretty solid. Thornton on a 1-2 year deal? I like that better than trading for Spezza. Riley Nash? My interest would again depend on term. Same goes for Bozak or Derek Ryan. Jay Beagle on a 1 year deal on the 4th line would entice me as well. All are options I would explore signing before trading for Spezza. I'm sure there are better options on the trade market as well.
    Again, for me it all comes down to the term on these guys. I'm not convinced any of these guys are signing on a short term deal.

    I think stasny is destined to return to the blues. Thornton staying in San Jose.

    I'm not saying you don't check in with these guys first, i'm simply saying Spezza + could be a decent option if Hexy strikes out on the Fa market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    Well, Stastny for 1 I'd be willing to give 3 years assuming he can be signed at a reasonable aav. Couturier, Patrick, Stastny, Laughton down the middle? That's pretty solid. Thornton on a 1-2 year deal? I like that better than trading for Spezza. Riley Nash? My interest would again depend on term. Same goes for Bozak or Derek Ryan. Jay Beagle on a 1 year deal on the 4th line would entice me as well. All are options I would explore signing before trading for Spezza. I'm sure there are better options on the trade market as well.
    Stastny is 32. I would pass on keeping him here until he's 35, especially considering he's going to want $4+ million and he's on the wrong side of 30 for the type of forward he is. He's having an okay year and seems to be rejuvenated with the Jets, but unless it's a 1-year deal I'd pass.

    Thornoton? Absolutely awful idea. He has now blown out both of his knees with both MCL and ACL tears in each. He's also just not a good fit with what we really need. We need secondary goal scoring, speed, and penalty kill specialist. He doesn't really fit any of those bills. I realize he is still an elite playmaker, but he can't move that well anymore and there's no telling how he's going to come back next year after this knee injury. Hard pass.

    Nash, Bozak, Ryan... all going to want term. Beagle? I'd rather just re-sign Flip for a year and let Lehtera center the 4th line. I won't lie, I didn't entirely hate Lehtera for the last 20ish games of the season. Once he finally got into the lineup on a regular basis and got his skating legs going he was serviceable. The only real issue I have is his usage. They would have to pickup a penalty kill specialist to replace him, so hopefully both he and Flip would not be on the PK whatsoever if that scenario were to play out.

    Ideally, we upgrade the 3C spot via trade. I don't really think any of the free agent options fit what we really need and would rather use assets to acquire someone who fits that mold with limited term left on their contract. Personally, I would target Athanasiou because he fits all of those things. Secondary scoring (30-40 points), insane speed, penalty killing.. He wouldn't cost much either. Then really you go out and look to fill the hole of goal scoring top-6 winger. There are a ton of options available for that via trade. You could move up in the draft, or target a specific shoot-first player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyGuys89 View Post
    Stastny is 32. I would pass on keeping him here until he's 35, especially considering he's going to want $4+ million and he's on the wrong side of 30 for the type of forward he is. He's having an okay year and seems to be rejuvenated with the Jets, but unless it's a 1-year deal I'd pass.

    Thornoton? Absolutely awful idea. He has now blown out both of his knees with both MCL and ACL tears in each. He's also just not a good fit with what we really need. We need secondary goal scoring, speed, and penalty kill specialist. He doesn't really fit any of those bills. I realize he is still an elite playmaker, but he can't move that well anymore and there's no telling how he's going to come back next year after this knee injury. Hard pass.

    Nash, Bozak, Ryan... all going to want term. Beagle? I'd rather just re-sign Flip for a year and let Lehtera center the 4th line. I won't lie, I didn't entirely hate Lehtera for the last 20ish games of the season. Once he finally got into the lineup on a regular basis and got his skating legs going he was serviceable. The only real issue I have is his usage. They would have to pickup a penalty kill specialist to replace him, so hopefully both he and Flip would not be on the PK whatsoever if that scenario were to play out.

    Ideally, we upgrade the 3C spot via trade. I don't really think any of the free agent options fit what we really need and would rather use assets to acquire someone who fits that mold with limited term left on their contract. Personally, I would target Athanasiou because he fits all of those things. Secondary scoring (30-40 points), insane speed, penalty killing.. He wouldn't cost much either. Then really you go out and look to fill the hole of goal scoring top-6 winger. There are a ton of options available for that via trade. You could move up in the draft, or target a specific shoot-first player.
    You'd resign Flip as opposed to signing Beagle? How can you in one breath say we need to upgrade the pk and quickly dismiss Beagle? He is literally the perfect fit as a 4th line center to fill that need. Not to mention he is a stud in the face-off circle.

    They overpaid Thornton last year which leads me to believe they needed to pay him to keep him around. He doesn't particularly need to be fleet of foot to be an effective pivot on the 2nd or 3rd line. On a line with say Raffl and Simmonds? Yeah that could work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    You'd resign Flip as opposed to signing Beagle? How can you in one breath say we need to upgrade the pk and quickly dismiss Beagle? He is literally the perfect fit as a 4th line center to fill that need. Not to mention he is a stud in the face-off circle.

    They overpaid Thornton last year which leads me to believe they needed to pay him to keep him around. He doesn't particularly need to be fleet of foot to be an effective pivot on the 2nd or 3rd line. On a line with say Raffl and Simmonds? Yeah that could work.
    Well look back at what I said there. I would only re-sign Flip as a last resort IF they're able to upgrade the PK with a top-9 PK specialist with speed. So long as he is not used on the PK, I'm not going to hate him being here (provided Hextall tried to upgrade and literally could not find another option). I don't hate the idea of Beagle, but they absolutely have to upgrade the 3C spot first. Beagle I wouldn't mind as an add before camp to be a 13th forward or something along those lines, I just don't want someone signed of that ilk who is going to block someone like Vechionne or Vorobyov. I'd rather have these kids up here playing and getting NHL experience and seeing what they really are. This is the time Hextall needs to unleash some of this youth and let them find their niche in the NHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace23 View Post
    Why, though?

    We have a logjam (cost-controlled forwards who play middle-6 roles) where DAL has a need -- so let's unload some of that & turn it into what we need (a top-6 forward who can score goals).

    If that means we have to eat $7.5M of Spezza's contract, so be it. Cap space is a "use it or lose it" thing, and let's all be honest: we aren't going to use $20M of cap space this off-season.

    Spezza is a perfectly serviceable 3C on an absolutely insane contract (with only 1 year left).

    Since I'm not super keen on moving some of our "good" prospects, this is an easy way to secure a high-upside piece (albeit with risk) for nothing more than money.
    The issue in this context is that we don't need "serviceable"...."serviceable" shouldn't be the goal. All I'm asking for is one position to have a bona fide upgrade to it this off season. If we make a move to pull in a legit D that is a lock to be better than what we have then I'll take a serviceable 3C. If we were somehow able to rearrange our goalies to have even a stud rental back there until Hart's ready then I'll take a serviceable 3C. If we can't manage to trade up in the draft or move the needle on any other area of need then the 3C is where we need to make a move for a guy who can help make that line an actual threat on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyGuys89 View Post
    So, Montreal has been fairly clear about the fact that they do not want to enter a rebuild and will be doing whatever they can to be competitive this upcoming season. They have some key pieces in place and will be looking to add an impact player who can contribute immediately. I'm would think they'd be interested in in moving back in the draft and taking someone who can contribute right now. Just something to kick around, but maybe packaging Simmonds and one of our firsts + to move up to #3. It may take both of our firsts plus Simmonds, but it would give us a shot at adding the top-6 scoring winger we desperately need. We would basically have our choice of two of Zadina, Wahlstrom, or Svechnikov (whoever Carolina doesn't take). Just a thought..
    I love the premise here, but there's a flaw.

    Why would a team trying to avoid a rebuild be interested in mid first round picks for a top 3 pick. The #3 pick might be able to make an immediate impact. Meanwhile the mid round picks, are much less likely. It's almost counter productive for them, if their intent is to avoid rebuilding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txravis12 View Post
    I love the premise here, but there's a flaw.

    Why would a team trying to avoid a rebuild be interested in mid first round picks for a top 3 pick. The #3 pick might be able to make an immediate impact. Meanwhile the mid round picks, are much less likely. It's almost counter productive for them, if their intent is to avoid rebuilding.
    Simmonds is the main piece for them in the deal. An impact player who can make a difference in the top-6 immediately. The two first rounders then give them the ability to get two pieces in their pipeline. I would assume we also send them another NHL-ready player as part of the package and they throw away more picks. Management in Montreal hasnít exactly made great moves for the last five years, so I think theyíre a desperate team you could take advantage of if you were to dangle a Simmonds-type in front of their face.

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    I mean if you all really wanna go off the rails, we may as well trade Simmonds to EDM for #10, then package 10, 14 and 19 and maybe something else as a "sweetener" to move up to #2 and take Svechnikov

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    I mean if you all really wanna go off the rails, we may as well trade Simmonds to EDM for #10, then package 10, 14 and 19 and maybe something else as a "sweetener" to move up to #2 and take Svechnikov
    No reason to stop at #2. Just get the #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txravis12 View Post
    No reason to stop at #2. Just get the #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    I mean if you all really wanna go off the rails, we may as well trade Simmonds to EDM for #10, then package 10, 14 and 19 and maybe something else as a "sweetener" to move up to #2 and take Svechnikov
    He is your #2?

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    I like the idea of this lineup up front:

    Giroux - Couturier - Stone
    Konecny - Patrick - Voracek
    Lindblom - Athanasiou - Grabner
    Weal - Laughton - Raffl

    Insane speed, depth up the middle, PK forwards are now all specialists (Giroux, Couturier, Athanasiou, Grabner). Wouldn't mind targeting Hoffman instead of Stone either to have it shape up like this:

    Giroux - Couturier - Konecny
    Hoffman - Patrick - Voracek
    Lindblom - Athanasiou - Grabner
    Weal - Laughton - Raffl

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    Quote Originally Posted by castan_b View Post
    He is your #2?
    Dahlin is my #1 so yeah. Iím assuming you think Zadina should be in the conversation?

    Zadina is a strong player and I would love him on the Flyers but the more I look into things the more I think itís Dahlin and Svechnikov at the top with a clear separation after them.

    I think Zadina is in that next group with Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Hughes, Dobson, Kotkaniemi, Boqvist, maybe Smith.

    Really good players, but Dahlin and Svechnikov are flat out special.

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    athanasiou is more of a winger than a center and if we do get him i would rather have him on the wing

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