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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Everything after 7 PM on FOX and MSNBC are opinion shows. I think that's a given. O'Reilly had the best of all the opinion shows. I was pointing out the the FOX OPINION shows give OPINIONS about more than just President Trump. I've watched the FOX OPINION shows and have sometimes never hear the president's nae mentioned.

    MSNBC's OPINION shows seem obsessed about the President. You cannot listen to them without something negative about the president being brought up. Maddow moves into and orgasmic state when she thinks she has something. She was in tears on election night.

    Not being taken seriously by you………I hope I can sleep tonight.
    I don't think it's just him, I feel like most capable people who care about and delve into politics even just a little can tell that CNN/Fox are both pretty poor but partisans just tend to love their side. Wasn't O'Reilly, your supposed favorite, the one who said something along the lines of the white establishment is now in the minority when Obama was reelected? There tend to be dumb reactions at some point after elections when "their side" loses. Things in general just continue to get sensationalized all around on both sides of the aisle and from whichever of those major networks you prefer, I agree people go overboard with Trump now for sure.

    The reality for Trump is that he is a pretty different/extreme level president in many ways in a time when social media and coverage/accessibility are at all time highs. I don't remember many of the previous presidents caught on tape with the "grab them by the *****" comment. Questioning if a judge is capable of being fair due to his nationality. Ridiculous tweeting in general but one example that comes to mind his anti-muslim propaganda videos (I believe one was fake even). Etc. Etc. I don't wanna go on as again I think much of this is just sensationalized by the networks for their viewers as we know but basically he has clearly brought much of it on himself. These news stations always overreact to stuff and point out dumb little things (Hannity who you also mention talked about Obama's vacation/golf, just like people are now with Trump). The key thing for Trump is that he does so many ridiculous things that he gives an unlimited amount of ammo right now for anyone to point out negatives (again at a time when we have so much access/ability to spread info and stories quick).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
    The idea that people (sluggo) would be debating this is beyond ignorant
    Right. Disagreeing with you in just incomprehensible. How could anyone disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    I don't think it's just him, I feel like most capable people who care about and delve into politics even just a little can tell that CNN/Fox are both pretty poor but partisans just tend to love their side. Wasn't O'Reilly, your supposed favorite, the one who said something along the lines of the white establishment is now in the minority when Obama was reelected? There tend to be dumb reactions at some point after elections when "their side" loses. Things in general just continue to get sensationalized all around on both sides of the aisle and from whichever of those major networks you prefer, I agree people go overboard with Trump now for sure.

    The reality for Trump is that he is a pretty different/extreme level president in many ways in a time when social media and coverage/accessibility are at all time highs. I don't remember many of the previous presidents caught on tape with the "grab them by the *****" comment. Questioning if a judge is capable of being fair due to his nationality. Ridiculous tweeting in general but one example that comes to mind his anti-muslim propaganda videos (I believe one was fake even). Etc. Etc. I don't wanna go on as again I think much of this is just sensationalized by the networks for their viewers as we know but basically he has clearly brought much of it on himself. These news stations always overreact to stuff and point out dumb little things (Hannity who you also mention talked about Obama's vacation/golf, just like people are now with Trump). The key thing for Trump is that he does so many ridiculous things that he gives an unlimited amount of ammo right now for anyone to point out negatives (again at a time when we have so much access/ability to spread info and stories quick).
    You're absolutely right and this is one of the better posts along these lines. Thank you.

    The real problem with President Trump is that he is not a politician and is operating in the political world. A lot of what he says, others feel but would never say. Does anyone really thing that any of these politicians want to accept immigrants from Haiti or Nigeria. They don't but would never say it. Trump stupidly says it. He stupidly tweets his every thought. Politicians, the press, and the people are just not used to this. The press lies in wait for the next flub and Trump stupidly gives it to them.

    Successful politicians have all mastered the art of speaking for a long time without really saying anything. They have also mastered the art of promising without saying how. The democrats are masters at this. The democrats know how to campaign. Trump has none of these talents, He just speaks his mind and it doesn't always sound good.

    I personally think Trump is doing a pretty good job.If only he'd keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Right. Disagreeing with you in just incomprehensible. How could anyone disagree with you.
    it isn't disagreeing... it's you being delusional...

    what I have also found interesting is your assumptions on my politics...

    You're such a rabid partisan hack you can't see beyond what is right in front of you.

    Enjoy fantasy land

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    I have no idea why there is so much whining about the media.

    • They are in it to make money.
    • To make money, they need to sell advertising
    • To sell advertising they need to attract viewers/readers.
    • The way to attract viewers/readers is to either to stroke them hard or piss them off a lot.
    • Clearly the mass of folks ("who lead lives of quiet desperation") have willingly and wittingly fallen in line.
    • The media then get to "laugh all the way to the bank."

    Seriously, our national motto should not be E Pluribus Unum (stupid Latin saying, anyway) but something more appropriate -- and from a good old American to boot, PT Barnum -- "There's a sucker born every minute."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You're absolutely right and this is one of the better posts along these lines. Thank you.

    The real problem with President Trump is that he is not a politician and is operating in the political world. A lot of what he says, others feel but would never say. Does anyone really thing that any of these politicians want to accept immigrants from Haiti or Nigeria. They don't but would never say it. Trump stupidly says it. He stupidly tweets his every thought. Politicians, the press, and the people are just not used to this. The press lies in wait for the next flub and Trump stupidly gives it to them.

    Successful politicians have all mastered the art of speaking for a long time without really saying anything. They have also mastered the art of promising without saying how. The democrats are masters at this. The democrats know how to campaign. Trump has none of these talents, He just speaks his mind and it doesn't always sound good.

    I personally think Trump is doing a pretty good job.If only he'd keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the keyboard.
    This post floats in and out of how things work and how people would like to think they work. For example, you are 100% correct that Trump is not a politician in a political world. However, if I am going to believe that politicians don't want to accept refugees from places like Haiti or Nigeria, then I am going to need a ****ton of vodka and tequila. Because there actually are a lot of people who want to and believe the US can help people from those parts of the world. Just because some people don't want to doesn't translate to what you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    This post floats in and out of how things work and how people would like to think they work. For example, you are 100% correct that Trump is not a politician in a political world. However, if I am going to believe that politicians don't want to accept refugees from places like Haiti or Nigeria, then I am going to need a ****ton of vodka and tequila. Because there actually are a lot of people who want to and believe the US can help people from those parts of the world. Just because some people don't want to doesn't translate to what you said.
    Politicians say what sounds nice. But they're not stupid they know what is right and wrong. What will work and what won't. I believe most politicians would readily do something they knew was wrong (or wasteful and ineffective if you will) if they thought it would make them look better and win votes. They all do it, both sides of the aisle.

    Jimmy Carter said everyone should be able to have a house. Sounds great but you know it's not possible. Bernie wants free tuition, sounds great and all the millennials were on board with that. But who pays?

    As far as helping these other countries…I mentioned in another post that my first recollection of Haiti was back in the 50s. Sixty years ago they were the poorest country in the hemisphere. What's changed?

    Mexico and Venezuela…two of the biggest oil producers and exporters in the world. Venezuela has the largest oil deposits in the world, bigger than Saudi Arabia…how are those two wealthy nations doing? Why should we be helping countries that can't/won't/are incapable of helping themselves. Makes no sense to me.

    Why don't the other rich countries help out? Why is it always the US when there are so many problems here?

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    Fox News is perhaps more influential than many of Trump's cabinet members and advisers are. The outlet he loves to bash the most is one that's owned by the world's richest man and libertarian idiot, not some leftist hero. The right sure didn't have any issues brushing that Sinclair Media mess off like it was nothing. They ****ing lose their **** and take to Twitter for days when a man who advocates for the execution of women who have abortions got fired (after he somehow even got hired!!!!) from his job on a supposedly-liberal magazine/site...knowing damn well they'd never for a second tolerate, I don't know, a socialist who advocated executing every CEO in the country, writing for any of their favorite outlets. It's hypocritical nonsense that's only being used for political purposes. This is what conservatives do best. And I got no patience for those who cry about these inconsequential articles doing so all in a means to protect Daddy Trump and further hype up and lend credence to his incredibly dubious and dangerous "FAKE NEWS" machine all the while pretending that right-wing voices don't have equal, if not more prevalent, exposure and bias.

    Yes. No ****. There's bias in media.Welcome to freedom of press and the freedom of speech. What a boring and disingenuous world we'd be living in if we mandated that our press report on everything without opinion with equal credence to all arguments.

    How dare anyone write about Trump and his relationship with the person that died at his property! It is totally not relevant whether or not there were sprinklers there and what role the freaking President of the United States had in it. Is it massive news? NO. It it information that y'all should be crying about being shared? NO.

    Do you have a problem with these massive news corporations injecting so much entertainment, opinion, controversy, nonsense, whatever into their coverage? Take you complaints up with Capitalism. Or stop trying to feel like conservatives are being victimized by literally everything that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You're absolutely right and this is one of the better posts along these lines. Thank you.

    The real problem with President Trump is that he is not a politician and is operating in the political world. A lot of what he says, others feel but would never say. Does anyone really thing that any of these politicians want to accept immigrants from Haiti or Nigeria. They don't but would never say it. Trump stupidly says it. He stupidly tweets his every thought. Politicians, the press, and the people are just not used to this. The press lies in wait for the next flub and Trump stupidly gives it to them.
    Well I agree with the main point about Trump not being a politician in that world type of thing and leading to some of the things he says and how it sounds. I don't think that always excuses his words/tweets/behavior but it is something that overall seems pretty clear at this point. I think some people do agree with what he does/says even if not open about it themselves and people have talked about that silent minority in his corner even (a problem for many is that it's also the extremists that feel their opinion is now ok/mainstream because the president says/goes to the extreme so often as I earlier mentioned with examples).

    I would however argue most people don't agree with a lot of what he says/does in that sense though as well (like my examples earlier), it's mostly his base/followers. While many politicians are better at hiding when they are scumbags I think it is worse (or just as bad) that Trump is constantly supported while being so open how despicable he is. Like the way to improve is to go to an extreme just because "at least he isn't hiding his feelings/thoughts"? I just don't buy that and think it is just a sign of how ridiculous our partisanship has gotten.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Successful politicians have all mastered the art of speaking for a long time without really saying anything. They have also mastered the art of promising without saying how. The democrats are masters at this. The democrats know how to campaign. Trump has none of these talents, He just speaks his mind and it doesn't always sound good.

    I personally think Trump is doing a pretty good job.If only he'd keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the keyboard.
    Again both sides do that for sure and many would just insert republicans where you did democrat and have that exact same opinion, just the other side from you.

    I disagree on Trump in general but don't need to get too far into why I am a bit disgusted he is our president (no that isn't because he is republican, it is because I simply have personal thoughts/standards/opinions etc. he just isn't close to when I want to pick someone to lead the country...). Then I also disagree with much of what has happened over the last year and a half but I definitely lean left so that is to be expected. It's not like the end of the world or I think US is doomed or whatever else sensationalized thing you can think of though. Like I am not a fan of the tax plan BUT I do think some cuts etc. made sense so it's not like every move is bad and many times the policy disagreements would be somewhat expected.

    The point I am making though is that the only reason you see one side so much worse than the other is because you seem to pretty clearly be partisan towards the side Fox news favors. It's much of the same on either side in reality. The media has bias but I don't really get the outrage as it happens on both sides and as mentioned before they are there to make $ as well. Trump has plenty of fake news moments himself so a question I have is do we expect we can trust what the president of the united stats says more than media such as Fox News, CNN etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    Carlson, Hannity, and Ingraham are all OPINION hosts, not news reporters. O'Reilly sexually harassed women but it's the lefts fault somehow that all his advertisers left. You're either trolling or a hack. Either way, you shouldn't be taken seriously and aren't by me. Moving on.
    the same thing could be said for the hosts on CNN or MSNBC. they're all reality characters pushing political opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Politicians say what sounds nice. But they're not stupid they know what is right and wrong. What will work and what won't. I believe most politicians would readily do something they knew was wrong (or wasteful and ineffective if you will) if they thought it would make them look better and win votes. They all do it, both sides of the aisle.

    Jimmy Carter said everyone should be able to have a house. Sounds great but you know it's not possible. Bernie wants free tuition, sounds great and all the millennials were on board with that. But who pays?

    As far as helping these other countries…I mentioned in another post that my first recollection of Haiti was back in the 50s. Sixty years ago they were the poorest country in the hemisphere. What's changed?

    Mexico and Venezuela…two of the biggest oil producers and exporters in the world. Venezuela has the largest oil deposits in the world, bigger than Saudi Arabia…how are those two wealthy nations doing? Why should we be helping countries that can't/won't/are incapable of helping themselves. Makes no sense to me.

    Why don't the other rich countries help out? Why is it always the US when there are so many problems here?
    Most people would likely readily do something that was wrong, wasteful, or ineffective. The politicians we elect aren't coincidental and they didn't show up here from another planet. They are elected from amongst us.

    We managed to figure out this whole thing with getting schooling for K-12 for free (and by that I mean paid for by taxes that we all pay). It seems that a far lower population should be easier to handle than the entirety of our country from age 5-18.

    There are many problems with Haiti that are preventable. Typically the more democratic (lower case for clarification, not the party) a country is the more free and better people's lives are. The vast majority of countries aren't there yet and are going to take a good bit of time. Many of our great grandchildren won't live in a world where 80% of people are free by the standards we expect.

    Being rich in one resource (oil specifically) is actually pretty well indirectly correlated to freedom of any type. Whether the nation is rich or poor. The vast majority of the Middle East, Venezula, Russia, and the list goes on and on. When the government can take control of the industry of a country and there is only one real industry, it's that much easier to impose your will over the populace.

    The US isn't the only one to help but we are by far the biggest. The reason is because we've more or less figured out the basic recipe. We argue over the degree with many, many industries should be regulated but we are almost universally opposed to government becoming a provide in those industries.
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    The media does not like Trump... perhaps because Trump declared war on them at the beginning of his campaign in 2015 and has been at war with them since. He gets the coverage he deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Fox reports fairly on President Trump just as they reported fairly on President Obama.
    LOL, here’s a video that makes your post look like the joke that it is.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...311490561?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    Since it clearly hurts your feelings to hear anyone say anything bad about Trump, I suggest you go to 4chan or breitbart for the reinforcement you clearly need. Maybe check out Alex Jones while you're at it. Don't worry, those are safe spaces
    4chan is not safe for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    I have no idea why there is so much whining about the media.

    • They are in it to make money.
    • To make money, they need to sell advertising
    • To sell advertising they need to attract viewers/readers.
    • The way to attract viewers/readers is to either to stroke them hard or piss them off a lot.
    • Clearly the mass of folks ("who lead lives of quiet desperation") have willingly and wittingly fallen in line.
    • The media then get to "laugh all the way to the bank."

    Seriously, our national motto should not be E Pluribus Unum (stupid Latin saying, anyway) but something more appropriate -- and from a good old American to boot, PT Barnum -- "There's a sucker born every minute."
    To me it's not the media that bothers me, it's the people thinking that "their" media isn't biased.

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