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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Sorry I just noticed these....

    First of all, congrats on finally adding the word ďtemporarilyĒ to your Muslim ban quote as I do believe that has some significance to my point.

    Yes, I believe saying to ban or temporarily ban all Muslims is bigoted/misguided. My criticism to that quote is that itís not well thought out and stupid. Do I believe trump is really a bigot? No. Do I believe he should have said that? No. The same way I can criticize a lot of presidents/senators/politicians for things the day. Omar was just one example and my criticism of her quote is the same. It was not well thought out. But I also donít think itís indicative of who she is as a person.

    My point is that the actions/legislation the politicians support is more important than their words during some speech. They ALL say stupid crap. Yes, I get more ďtriggeredĒ by the stuff Dems say just like Iím sure ppl get ďtriggeredĒ at the stuff trump says. But I donít hold Dems to their words. Certainly not in this media era which focuses on 10-30 sec sound bites. We need to view our politicians better, regardless of which ďsideĒ they are on and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    It's the context of the situation that matters. Some policy does natter more for sure etc. it depends on specifics.

    What was the reasoning for trumps ban?

    What was the reasoning for Omar's statements?

    Is there validity in banning Muslims temporarily based on evidence provided by trump? Is there validity to the idea some people do some bad things and an entire identity is not to be held responsible for the actions of some?



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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    It's the context of the situation that matters. Some policy does natter more for sure etc. it depends on specifics.

    What was the reasoning for trumps ban?

    What was the reasoning for Omar's statements?

    Is there validity in banning Muslims temporarily based on evidence provided by trump? Is there validity to the idea some people do some bad things and an entire identity is not to be held responsible for the actions of some?



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    I discussed this previously with nasty but in the sense that itís a ďmeans to an end,Ē yes, thereís validity to the idea of temporarily banning Muslims. Itís obviously an overreaction and again, the ends donít justify the means...but to finish Trumps thought, temporally banning Muslims until we fix our border security/visa/immigrant entry process, thereís validity to that idea. All I did there was finish out the thought process, as you did accurately with Omarís statement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    I discussed this previously with nasty but in the sense that itís a ďmeans to an end,Ē yes, thereís validity to the idea of temporarily banning Muslims. Itís obviously an overreaction and again, the ends donít justify the means...but to finish Trumps thought, temporally banning Muslims until we fix our border security/visa/immigrant entry process, thereís validity to that idea. All I did there was finish out the thought process, as you did accurately with Omarís statement...
    Yes agreed you could make an argument for means to an end but we know how silly that would be.

    I would like to know why there is validity to single out the Muslim identity for said ban if we have major issues with security/visa/immigration issues that is about said issues not just one identity. This is where the double standards become obvious because trying to make the argument that we should single out an identity in such a way without clear proof/validity to do so becomes the extreme us vs them identity politics. I have not heard such reasoning from Trump or others on why we need to single out this identity with validity but I am still open to hearing it....

    I agree we both finished the statements but one of them is still missing a valid reason for said point. Omar is making the point we shouldn't blame entire identities for the actions of some. That is exactly what Trump called for and you even point to how it is an overreaction and ends don't justify the means. Why? Because he is simply singling out an identity to ban without clear validity/reasoning that would be applied to other identities. Should we ban right leaning thinkers due to recent domestic terrorism issues? Same type of logic but you would never suggest we act in such way, clear double standards. I am not saying we should, I am simply making the obvious point that it is ridiculous to see things in such a way and there is a major lack of validity in said arguments (it is just extreme identity politics).

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    just popping my head in again to point out that there is no real predominant left wing media. y'all can cry all you want about general biases, but just be happy that there is, again, no real left-wing media. and that all you dullards have your prominent right-wing media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    just popping my head in again to point out that there is no real predominant left wing media. y'all can cry all you want about general biases, but just be happy that there is, again, no real left-wing media. and that all you dullards have your prominent right-wing media.
    Donít even know if this is an actual post or some text to talk catastrophe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Donít even know if this is an actual post or some text to talk catastrophe...
    Name me a predominant leftist media outlet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    just popping my head in again to point out that there is no real predominant left wing media. y'all can cry all you want about general biases, but just be happy that there is, again, no real left-wing media. and that all you dullards have your prominent right-wing media.
    Your version of left is a quite a bit on the extreme side. Actually, really extreme, so you're forgiven for this absolutely insane post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Yes agreed you could make an argument for means to an end but we know how silly that would be.

    I would like to know why there is validity to single out the Muslim identity for said ban if we have major issues with security/visa/immigration issues that is about said issues not just one identity. This is where the double standards become obvious because trying to make the argument that we should single out an identity in such a way without clear proof/validity to do so becomes the extreme us vs them identity politics. I have not heard such reasoning from Trump or others on why we need to single out this identity with validity but I am still open to hearing it....

    I agree we both finished the statements but one of them is still missing a valid reason for said point. Omar is making the point we shouldn't blame entire identities for the actions of some. That is exactly what Trump called for and you even point to how it is an overreaction and ends don't justify the means. Why? Because he is simply singling out an identity to ban without clear validity/reasoning that would be applied to other identities. Should we ban right leaning thinkers due to recent domestic terrorism issues? Same type of logic but you would never suggest we act in such way, clear double standards. I am not saying we should, I am simply making the obvious point that it is ridiculous to see things in such a way and there is a major lack of validity in said arguments (it is just extreme identity politics).
    As I said, I already went through this with Nasty. Iím going to keep this short because itís just reiterating what I already stated for the most part. The ďlogicĒ behind the Muslim ban is that Trump (as do most Americans) believe Muslims committed the terrorist acts on 9/11. The example I used is separating black/white males ages 18-35 from the main population in order to stop thwart violent crime. While obviously this would be an overreach, itís a means to an end in stopping violence against most women and men outside the age group. For Trump, 9/11 is about emotions as he was in NY that day. IMO, his reaction is similar to David Hogg. I get that heís a teenager but Trump is by no means mature. Hogg was present during a school shooting. Obviously to a greater extent than trump was present during 9/11. But his solution is based on his experience and the emotions it carries. This isnít a positive for trump at all but thatís the logic behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Name me a predominant leftist media outlet.
    All of them outside of Fox News..,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    As I said, I already went through this with Nasty. Iím going to keep this short because itís just reiterating what I already stated for the most part. The ďlogicĒ behind the Muslim ban is that Trump (as do most Americans) believe Muslims committed the terrorist acts on 9/11. The example I used is separating black/white males ages 18-35 from the main population in order to stop thwart violent crime. While obviously this would be an overreach, itís a means to an end in stopping violence against most women and men outside the age group. For Trump, 9/11 is about emotions as he was in NY that day. IMO, his reaction is similar to David Hogg. I get that heís a teenager but Trump is by no means mature. Hogg was present during a school shooting. Obviously to a greater extent than trump was present during 9/11. But his solution is based on his experience and the emotions it carries. This isnít a positive for trump at all but thatís the logic behind it.
    As stated you could do the same thing with the right given recent domestic terrorism. The question becomes why focus on just this then in this way while never applying similar logic to other identities?

    The most obvious answer is people are focused on that specific identity and many are bigoted towards them. That sells and Trump used it to campaign against many different identities. The logic used would not work with another identity so there is something here creating a double standard and that is what we constantly see with Trumpism. Should we start questioning judges based on identity now too? This is Trump "logic" towards certain identities and just like with Birthirism it seems to help him gain support.

    No one can be 100% sure what the reasoning is for so many defending these types of extreme double standards but it is obvious how often it keeps happening thread to thread and the identities that don't seem included tend to be white/christian/male... shocking. I am so surprised some people happen to think it is identity based, you are are trying to claim it as any sort of logic while admitting it is exactly what has been said. Focusing on an act and blaming and entire identity, then you equate it in a sense to someone calling out that exact type of behavior (because a logical person would). It's ridiculous but somehow we have the POTUS doing it over and over with people pretending it is based in logic and not just extreme identity politics they would scream about if applied to an identity related to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    All of them outside of Fox News..,,
    I am pretty sure is talking about the actual left as in policy based left on an economic scale type thing not the establishment democratic left.

    Which outlet is extreme in favor of Bernie and his policies etc. while calling out the establishment dems like many posters on here do? I would guess there has to be some out there but I don't think it is any of the mainstream ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    All of them outside of Fox News..,,
    I said "leftist".

    All of the "liberal media" that you decry hate socialists. They hate Sanders. They hate leftists. They are corporatists and capitalists.

    The right-wing has their major media outlet.

    Us leftists have nothing. And that's always conveniently overlooked when the right cries about bias and plays victim better than anyone else ever has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I said "leftist".

    All of the "liberal media" that you decry hate socialists. They hate Sanders. They hate leftists. They are corporatists and capitalists.

    The right-wing has their major media outlet.

    Us leftists have nothing. And that's always conveniently overlooked when the right cries about bias and plays victim better than anyone else ever has.
    So you need the mediaís views to exactly align with yours to be satisfied? Seems legit....

    The point is the media have become shrills for one party or the other.... Fox News is a shrill for the Republican Party and the rest (to varying degrees) are shrills for the Democratic Party. Thatís not how media is suppose to function in our society, yet he we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    just popping my head in again to point out that there is no real predominant left wing media. y'all can cry all you want about general biases, but just be happy that there is, again, no real left-wing media. and that all you dullards have your prominent right-wing media.
    this post itself is left wing propaganda. how can anyone be so clueless.

    the left wing media loves people like this, they love that they can manipulate people like this so easily.

    orange man bad! Faux News bad! Russia!
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    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

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