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  1. #31
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    Well let’s see. Spooner has his best season 2 years ago with 49 points, with a heavy dose of power play time. He’s continued to see a ton of PP time since then but has become worse and streakier as a scorer and doesn’t affect the game if he’s not producing offensively because his game doesn’t translate to a bottom-6 type of role.
    Anisimov has 46 and 36 the two years prior to the move so similar point production but he produced in the playoffs right before the trade and had already established himself as a solid two-way player meaning he affected the game if he wasn’t producing and had the versatility to move up and down the line up if needed. Spooner doesn’t have that and never will.

    And as I said before, it wasn’t just Nash the Bruins got. They got 2M in cap savings the next two years by shedding part of the Beleskey contract. They needed to give something extra to gain that cap space... that wouldn’t have happened if it were done under a different CBA like the original Nash trade was


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    Quote Originally Posted by tomsa592 View Post
    Well let’s see. Spooner has his best season 2 years ago with 49 points, with a heavy dose of power play time. He’s continued to see a ton of PP time since then but has become worse and streakier as a scorer and doesn’t affect the game if he’s not producing offensively because his game doesn’t translate to a bottom-6 type of role.
    Anisimov has 46 and 36 the two years prior to the move so similar point production but he produced in the playoffs right before the trade and had already established himself as a solid two-way player meaning he affected the game if he wasn’t producing and had the versatility to move up and down the line up if needed. Spooner doesn’t have that and never will.

    And as I said before, it wasn’t just Nash the Bruins got. They got 2M in cap savings the next two years by shedding part of the Beleskey contract. They needed to give something extra to gain that cap space... that wouldn’t have happened if it were done under a different CBA like the original Nash trade was


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    Ah so you’re just bias against Rick Nash then. Ok cool, no point furthering this discussion then


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    No, I just think it's total bs that you talk about the players the Rangers traded away in these deals like they were Selke candidates or something. Anisimov was soo much better than Spooner because he was some great two way player, c'mon. Then you throw in playoff production because Anisimov had 10 points in 20 games. I wouldn't be bringing up playoff production when making an argument why Rick Nash was a good player to trade for, just saying.

    I used to defend Nash all the time, he was a whipping boy because he failed to score in the playoffs. And I do like his two way game. But he's not worth this, not anything close to it.
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    But that’s what I’ve been trying to say, the “this” Nash was traded for this time was largely crap.

    Anisimov and Dubinsky were both already more impactful then (and have proved that since then), than Spooner is now

    Erixon has more potential as a possible top-pairing D than Lindgren ever has or will have

    You need to change your perception of the deal. It essentially was a 1st, which the Bruins could afford to trade with the way they’ve drafted since Sweeney took over, a low-risk, low-ceiling prospect, a PP specialist in Spooner and 2 turds (Beleskey’s retained salary and a 7th rounder)

    It’s the typical price for the best player at his position available at the deadline, and he already brought a different element to the Bruins’ top-6 in his first game here.

    It’s a more than fair deal with both teams getting what they wanted out of it. To say otherwise is silly


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    I think a first for Nash was solid. Everything else is icing on the cake. Erixon was an overrated prospect. His father played for the Rangers and they didn't even want him.

    I think we just got worked by Tampa for McDonagh. At least we got something for Nash.
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    Nash NYR going to Bruins ......

    I think people are underestimating the Beleskey salary dump. He was probably in the top 10 worst contracts in the NHL... he was struggling to get time in Providence that’s how bad he is. I would’ve given up Lindgren and probably even another piece to get rid of 50% of that contract. (TBH would’ve given up the late 1st EASILY to get rid of 100% lol)

    Also, anyone who actually this Spooner is any more than a replacement level player has watched either very little, or no Boston Bruins hockey in 2 years minimum. Spooner is nothing more than a PP specialist who was absolutely carried by his linemates this season. People look at the production and just have no clue that he’s not a very good hockey player (which is a shame because I thought he had 60pt potential).

    I would’ve felt a little more comfortable if it was the full Beleskey contract or if the first was conditional, but I think Bruins fans being this happy about the deal should raise a slight red flag about the quality of players the Rangers are getting back lol. I think they got a good deal because the first and Lindgren should be solid players in the future, but I don’t think they got this amazing deal everyone thinks.


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    I don't see the problem, I like the deal for both teams. Boston didn't give up any major piece of their planned future and the Rangers got a package of younger players that can play now while the team rebuilds. Seems like a win win deal if you ask me.
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    I like the deal for both teams. Boston won't be disappointed with Nash's work ethic, not having to go against other teams top pairs should give him more scoring opportunities as well. For a stingy team like Boston they will get more So with Nash. For us we got what we needed from the deal, it's gonna be strange not watching the rangers in the playoffs but it was time for a change.

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    So this is my gripe about the whole "Rick Nash sucks in the playoffs" thing. I dug into the numbers a bit and just didn't think it's a fair statement.


    2012-13 28 NYR NHL 12GP 1G 4A 5P

    -First playoffs in 4 years
    -Not good, not bad
    -Still tied for 4th in team for points for playoffs

    2013-14 29 NYR NHL 25GP 3G 7A 10P

    -I agree Nash was disappointing this playoffs. But let's be honest - none of the NYR players were offensive juggernauts throughout the playoffs.

    2014-15 30 NYR NHL 19GP 5G 9A 14P

    -People conveniently leave this year out in their argument, because it would go against their argument. 2nd in the team in scoring and played great defensively throughout the entire postseason.

    2015-16 31 NYR NHL 5GP 2G 2A 4P

    -Disappointing exit for the Rangers, but another good showing for Nash in the playoffs. Again, people leave this out because it goes against their argument.
    -1st on the team in scoring.

    2016-17 32 NYR NHL 12GP 3G 2A 5P

    -To me, this feels like the reason that people are leading the movement. He didn't have a good playoffs last year, nor was it bad. It was just, meh. And fans usually have the mindset of "what have you done for me lately" when it comes to players and performances.


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    Two productive playoff seasons out of fives is not knocking a guy. Out of the 5 seasons he helped us to the playoffs he really showed up for one of them. Four points in 5 games is nice but lets be honest, he clearly didn't do what the team needed and stepped up to help them win, but I will also largely put that on AV who in my opinion is playing on borrowed time.

    I'm not saying I don't like Rick, or I'm glad that he's gone. In fact I'm a big Nash fan, I think he's been criminally underrated because he does what most guys with his background can't or refuse to do. He was a high skill guy who utilized his years and wisdom to become a phenomenal two-way 200-foot player. The proof is in the pudding though. He was beyond underwhelming when it came to the playoffs for three years. I will put that 4 points in 5 games early exit more on AV but if I recall correctly Rick played really well but also didn't capitalize on big chances at pivotal moments.

    All that being said I really think Rick will stand out and produce better playing with this Boston team. He fits in well and he seems reinvigorated. I'm not necessarily rooting for you guys. In fact I hope you guys exit in round 1 so we can improve our pick but I will be rooting for Rick as I have since he was a Blue Jacket.




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    I've come to jinx Spooner. Two goals and eight assists in six games since the trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbang View Post
    I've come to jinx Spooner. Two goals and eight assists in six games since the trade.
    He's had similar runs like that in Boston. What stands out to me is 10 points and only a +1 and his oiSV% is barley cling to 90% right now. With all the point he has, I would have expected him to have some good possession numbers, but he doesn't have those either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaiza View Post
    So this is my gripe about the whole "Rick Nash sucks in the playoffs" thing. I dug into the numbers a bit and just didn't think it's a fair statement.


    2012-13 28 NYR NHL 12GP 1G 4A 5P

    -First playoffs in 4 years
    -Not good, not bad
    -Still tied for 4th in team for points for playoffs

    2013-14 29 NYR NHL 25GP 3G 7A 10P

    -I agree Nash was disappointing this playoffs. But let's be honest - none of the NYR players were offensive juggernauts throughout the playoffs.

    2014-15 30 NYR NHL 19GP 5G 9A 14P

    -People conveniently leave this year out in their argument, because it would go against their argument. 2nd in the team in scoring and played great defensively throughout the entire postseason.

    2015-16 31 NYR NHL 5GP 2G 2A 4P

    -Disappointing exit for the Rangers, but another good showing for Nash in the playoffs. Again, people leave this out because it goes against their argument.
    -1st on the team in scoring.

    2016-17 32 NYR NHL 12GP 3G 2A 5P

    -To me, this feels like the reason that people are leading the movement. He didn't have a good playoffs last year, nor was it bad. It was just, meh. And fans usually have the mindset of "what have you done for me lately" when it comes to players and performances.
    Rick Nash was nearly a PPG point player in 12/13 and then went under .50 PPG in the playoffs. Going without the playoffs or not for awhile, that was bad. In 13/14 he was on pace for 33ish goals and then put up 3 in 25 games in the playofffs. He was 8th in points per forwards in scoring behind MSL, Brassard, Stepan, Hagelin, Richards, Zucs, Krieder, and was tied with Pouliot. He choked.

    Nash has one career PPG season. He's not going to be your number one forward though and lead the team in points but he did choke.

    Nash now is a guy a playoff team would want 25/20 from being a big body and strong defensively. For the Bruins, he is like the 5th most important forward, if that. He doesn't need to be a star offensively. He needs to be more consistent but again if Boston played 20 games, 5+6 or so would be bringing his game offensively.


    Quote Originally Posted by OneManIsNoMan View Post
    He's had similar runs like that in Boston. What stands out to me is 10 points and only a +1 and his oiSV% is barley cling to 90% right now. With all the point he has, I would have expected him to have some good possession numbers, but he doesn't have those either.
    Ryan Spooner is a top six 50 maybe 60 point guy on a non-playoff team. He's a stad padder in a way. His numbers will probably look better than he actually is. Puts up big numbers, dealt for a first to a playoff team and is straight disappointing as far as I see his career going.The Rangers will get good value back for him in the next three seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BranWingss View Post
    Ryan Spooner is a top six 50 maybe 60 point guy on a non-playoff team. He's a stad padder in a way. His numbers will probably look better than he actually is. Puts up big numbers, dealt for a first to a playoff team and is straight disappointing as far as I see his career going.The Rangers will get good value back for him in the next three seasons.
    I'll be interested to see how he does next year (assuming the Rangers don't trade him) in a lesser role. When the team is 100% healthy I imagine Spooner slots on the 3rd line. Spooner (for me) has always been one of those guys who leaves you wanting more. He shows flashes of being able to be an impact player every shift offensively, but then he has times when he disappears.
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