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  1. #3811
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    those darn kids, shoulda never listened to their parents...they shoulda said Daddy, no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Gimme a break!

    The US is doing it.

    You act as if we have an Under Swecretary of Persecuting Guatemalans down there in DC plottind, plottimg, plotting.

    get real here.
    It’d almost be better if we did, because then you wouldn’t be defending them.

    Yes, the US is doing it. If your point is we lost the kids’ parents by accident, sure. But not separating the kids would have eliminated that possibility. And we definitely separated the kids on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The children would not have been separated from their parents if the US did not separate them from their parents. They were still with their parents when they came here illegally, so the journey was not what separated them, the US did.
    eliminate them not illegally entering America and they're not separated. cause and effect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Simple rules

    Apply

    be self supporting

    Have a place to go

    Have skills

    By the way, how many have you taken in????
    again, your rules lol

    Coming into the border and requesting asylum is also 100% valid

    You must not be a family man, because most people would do anything to protect their family. When the wait to get in your specific way is 25+ years, thats not gonna cut it when you are trying to survive. Why so anti family? Anti life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    eliminate them not illegally entering America and they're not separated. cause and effect.
    Sure, but that doesn't change whose fault it is that they are separated: the US'.

    If a woman doesn't walk down an alley and she wouldn't have got raped doesn't change that it was the rapist's fault for raping her.

    The effect here is children being separated from their parents and the cause is the US separating them from their parents. cause and effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino17 View Post
    again, your rules lol

    Coming into the border and requesting asylum is also 100% valid

    You must not be a family man, because most people would do anything to protect their family. When the wait to get in your specific way is 25+ years, thats not gonna cut it when you are trying to survive. Why so anti family? Anti life?
    just because they request asylum doesn't mean they get it.

    former DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

    https://medium.com/@ebecker1/dhs-sec...n-15df31fcbbc4

    Seeking employment or family reunification are not grounds for asylum under our laws, or any international obligation. There are, however, legal ways to seek a job or to be reunited in the U.S.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Sure, but that doesn't change whose fault it is that they are separated: the US'.

    If a woman doesn't walk down an alley and she wouldn't have got raped doesn't change that it was the rapist's fault for raping her.

    The effect here is children being separated from their parents and the cause is the US separating them from their parents. cause and effect.
    so there's multiple blame/fault to go around, but it's false to think there is no blame to the parents.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    so there's multiple blame/fault to go around, but it's false to think there is no blame to the parents.
    The blame to the parents is that they entered the country illegally. The blame to the US is we separated the children and put them in cages. 100% of the blame for that is on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The blame to the parents is that they entered the country illegally. The blame to the US is we separated the children and put them in cages. 100% of the blame for that is on the US.
    the blame for crossing illegally is 100% on the parents. they made that decision.

    these are 2 separate issues. 1, illegally crossing. 2, children separated. both can be wrong and both have different blame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    the blame for crossing illegally is 100% on the parents. they made that decision.

    these are 2 separate issues. 1, illegally crossing. 2, children separated. both can be wrong and both have different blame.
    What blame falls on the children?
    That would be the REAL issue.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    What blame falls on the children?
    That would be the REAL issue.
    Ah, a new perspective emerges..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    What blame falls on the children?
    That would be the REAL issue.
    I don't know if the children have any blame. it's not their fault if they are dragged along by 1 or both of their parents, or if they are used with human trafficking.

    but it is the parents fault for making the choice to illegally cross the border. how many immigrants from these other countries are going about things the right way, to legally go to America. why does anyone think it's okay for those to do this illegally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    the blame for crossing illegally is 100% on the parents. they made that decision.

    these are 2 separate issues. 1, illegally crossing. 2, children separated. both can be wrong and both have different blame.
    Sounds like we agree: the blame for separating the children is on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    just because they request asylum doesn't mean they get it.

    former DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

    https://medium.com/@ebecker1/dhs-sec...n-15df31fcbbc4
    Your point?

    Asylum is 100% valid
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