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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    0 replies to this..
    https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...4#post32912164

    And you've had ZERO replies in any environment thread a d don't want to discuss health care. Is there some sort of point you're trying to make?
    Last edited by Kenny Powders; 05-20-2019 at 06:38 PM.

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    Tom Friedman is a great journalist (3 time Pulitzer winner), worth a read https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/o...nion&smtyp=cur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Tom Friedman is a great journalist (3 time Pulitzer winner), worth a read https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/o...nion&smtyp=cur
    Yeah. Special posted it a week ago, maybe he’ll read it this time around. We won’t be getting sensible policy, or anyone trustworthy enough to make that policy as long as the president doesn’t understand the facts on the ground. We will know he gets them when he can present a truthful and meaningful argument. When and if he ever does, I’m sure he’ll find a receptive audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    And you've had ZERO replies in any environment thread a d don't want to discuss health care. Is there some sort of point you're trying to make?
    nice try.
    how many posts have I have related to the environment? you would have a point if I had talked about environment or health care but then stopped. the difference here is people here have already talked about many different immigration related topics. so why are they now refusing to talk about these immigration topics?






    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    Yeah. Special posted it a week ago, maybe he’ll read it this time around. We won’t be getting sensible policy, or anyone trustworthy enough to make that policy as long as the president doesn’t understand the facts on the ground. We will know he gets them when he can present a truthful and meaningful argument. When and if he ever does, I’m sure he’ll find a receptive audience.
    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

    this is the headline of the article.
    The system needs to be fixed, but “the wall” is only part of the solution.
    I agree with this. so does President Trump, which is why he has wanted more than just a wall.

    the people that don't understand or accept the facts on the ground are the Democrats, the same people that want to call this a manufactured crisis, where facts show they are wrong.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    nice try.
    how many posts have I have related to the environment? you would have a point if I had talked about environment or health care but then stopped. the difference here is people here have already talked about many different immigration related topics. so why are they now refusing to talk about these immigration topics?








    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

    this is the headline of the article.


    I agree with this. so does President Trump, which is why he has wanted more than just a wall.

    the people that don't understand or accept the facts on the ground are the Democrats, the same people that want to call this a manufactured crisis, where facts show they are wrong.
    Making up the rules as you go. Such a boss.

    Basically, instead of rehasing the same old ******** why don't you chose to educated yourself on other topics. Iran for example, do you support an invasion or no? You and your conservative circle jerk pals have avoided that thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Tom Friedman is a great journalist (3 time Pulitzer winner)
    That's pretty sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    Making up the rules as you go. Such a boss.

    Basically, instead of rehasing the same old ******** why don't you chose to educated yourself on other topics. Iran for example, do you support an invasion or no? You and your conservative circle jerk pals have avoided that thread
    it's not making up or changing anything. many people have talked about immigration, and lately those same people have no interest in talking about immigration anymore. could be because they were wrong.

    illegal immigration continues to get worse. more evidence continues to support that it is not a manufactured crisis, Democrats lied to people.

    maybe you're not aware but there are already multiple different threads/topics that I participate in, including specifically asking for your thoughts and still waiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    Mr Kenny Powders..






    hard for people to know the reality of what is going on at the border when some media refuse to talk about it.

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...gration-crisis

    Study: Media Hiding the Facts on Ongoing Immigration Crisis
    According to a new Harvard/Harris poll (link added- https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-con...V_crosstab.pdf), most Americans wildly underestimate the number of illegal aliens entering the United States each month, and one reason could be the news media's reluctance to disclose the real statistics.

    An MRC study of every ABC, CBS and NBC evening news broadcast from January 1 through May 15 of this year found a total of 234 stories that talked about illegal immigration, but less than one-tenth of those (22, or 9%), actually informed viewers about the dramatically increasing rate of illegal crossings. Apprehensions at the U.S. border have surpassed 100,000 per month(link added- https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration), an 11-year high.

    he Harvard/Harris poll found 87 percent of respondents guessed that the number of border apprehensions was significantly lower. A majority (52%) estimated the rate was less than 100,000 per year, which would make the problem only one-twelfth as serious as it actually is.

    And, it turns out, having the correct data changes minds: An ABC News/Washington Post poll that did not provide this context found 64 percent of respondents opposed President Trump's February 15 emergency declaration in order to free up money for barrier construction. Meanwhile, the Harvard/Harris poll found that when respondents were told the actual rates of illegal immigration, those numbers flipped, with a majority (52%) supporting it.

    Additionally, 47 percent of those polled by Harvard/Harris wanted to see current asylum restrictions tightened, while only 19 percent wanted them loosened.



    Network journalists frequently downplayed these numbers by comparing them to the record-high rate back in 2000 and concluding that illegal immigration was “decreasing,” even though the current rate is the highest in 11 years. For example, ABC’s Matt Gutman asserted during the January 8 edition of World News Tonight that immigration rates had “plummeted over the past two decades.”

    On February 15, CBS Evening News anchor Jeff Glor similarly pontificated: “Here is the reality provided by the U.S. government’s own statistics tonight: Apprehensions are down seventy-six percent from a record high nineteen years ago.”

    The Harvard/Harris poll suggests that Americans adopt more restrictionist stances when they are made aware of the actual rate of illegal immigration. By shielding viewers from that data, these networks are tipping the scales for the kinds of looser immigration policies favored by liberals.



    this is from the link above..
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Steve Bannon (and others) help build border wall.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...co-border.html

    Private group led by Steve Bannon has built its own mile-long wall along the US-Mexico border in just three days after fundraising $8MILLION - and now says it will sell it to the government for just $1
    -We Build the Wall Inc., the non-profit spurred by triple-amputee veteran Brian Kolfage's GoFundMe campaign to pay for a border wall, has built part of its own
    -The wall starts at the Rio Grande River and goes up Mount Cristo Rey
    -It's built on private property, constructed over Friday to Sunday in secret
    -Kolfage said the mile-long wall cost between $6 million and $8 million to build, and his organization will sell it to the federal government for just $1
    -Kolfage told DailyMail.com that this build has been approved by Trump and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
    -DHS to did not immediately reply to DailyMail.com's request for comment
    A non-profit organization, backed by Steve Bannon, to fund Donald Trump's border wall between the United States and Mexico has built its first mile-long section of wall.

    The wall, which spans just under one mile in length, went up over the weekend on private property running next to El Paso, Texas, through Sunland Park, New Mexico, triple-amputee veteran Brian Kolfage told DailyMail.com on Monday.

    'It’s just under one mile long,' Kolfage said. 'The wall starts at the Rio Grande River and goes up Mount Cristo Rey where the US Army Crops of engineers said it was impossible to build.

    Kolfage said once everything is said and done, his organization will sell the wall, which cost between $6million and $8million to build, to the federal government for the bargain price of $1.

    'We're going to sell this wall back to them for $1 and release the title to them,' he said. 'We cant give the government the money because that's not the way it works. But we wanted to show the american people how to get this job done.'

    Kolfage is operating under an entity called We Build the Wall Inc., which is a Florida non-profit tax-exempt advocacy organization, with former White House Chief Strategist and former Breitbart News executive chairman Steve Bannon as director, and former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach on the team as well.

    Dustin Stockton, co-founder of We Build the Wall Inc., told The Associated Press Monday that they spent about 10 days moving dirt before starting construction Friday.

    He says the wall segment in Sunland Park is 'mostly up' and should be completed by the end of the week.

    The build was overseen by construction mogul Tommy Fisher of North Dakota-based Fisher Industries.

    Kolfage told DailyMail.com his team chose the location at the intersection of the Texas, New Mexico and Mexico borders based on data obtained from a Freedom of Information Act request filed with US Customs and Border Protection.

    'It’s the worst smuggling route on the entire border,' Kolfage said. 'Border patrol said 1000 people cross a day, on average.'

    According to Kolfage, the government said in the past that the mountains were a natural barrier that would stop the flow of migrants.

    'But it hasn't stopped anything,' he said. 'That's why decided to build here first.'

    Kolfage said his organization had to build in secrecy for fear of groups opposing the building of a border wall impeding the project's process.

    'There are a lot of different groups opposed to what we're doing that would have just had to file an injunction against the property owner and that would have delayed the build,' he said.

    'We also didn't want to risk international incident so we wanted to keep it tight-lipped until it was completed.'

    Bannon said, 'We had to catch them by surprise,' while discussing the building in between his weekend in Kazakhstan for a geopolitical seminar, Yahoo! reported.

    The wall sits on a stretch of property about 10 feet wide, right on the edge of New Mexico, and a team of hundreds began constructing it on Friday night.

    Bannon claims that the wall will connect two 21-mile sections of existing fence, but this has not bee independently confirmed, according to CNN.

    'Border Patrol told us it's the No. 1 most important miles to close,' Bannon said.

    'The tough terrain always left it off the government list.

    'And that's what we focus on - private land that is not in the program and take the toughest first.'

    Kobach made a similar claim on Fox&Friends, saying: 'There's been a half-mile gap between the existing wall and Mount Cristo Rey.

    'And it was a ridiculously large gap that the smuggling of both people and drugs would go through.'

    Kobach said the project was 'the first time any private organization has built border wall on private land.'

    The property owner was an entity called American Eagle Brick Company, a Texas business with George F Cudahy listed as the registered agent.

    Kolfage said the owner is an Air Force veteran fighter pilot, who has dealt with theft and was eager to get a border wall up after 'the federal government said they wouldn't and couldn't do it.'

    That owner finally got his wish, after turning over control of the stretch of land to We Build the Wall Inc. The agency's wall is generally 25 feet tall, depending on the section, according to Kolfage.

    'The steel portions of the wall are 25 feet tall, but we built the base up with stone in some areas, so it can be roughly 30-40 feet tall, as it goes up the mountain,' he said.

    'It's made of all-weather steel which could last for centuries. It costs more up front but the overall cost of not having to be replaced in the near future is better in the long run.'

    Kolfage said the wall being built by the US govt is being made with steel that is not all-weather and will rust.

    'Our wall is far superior to the government wall,' Kolfage said.

    The wall ends at cliff on the mountain where you would have to be an expert mountain climber get across from Mexico into the US, Kolfage said.

    'We also opted for a technology package that includes a fiber optic sensor in the ground that can detect digging and even people touching the wall. There will also be cameras mounted on the wall.

    'We're paving a road for border control with outlook centers at the top of the mountain, as well.'

    Kolfage estimated that the total cost of the wall built over the weekend to be between $6 million and $8 million.

    'The wall itself cost about $2 million,' Kolfage said. 'Construction was right around $2 million, and we had to clear a mountain. The biggest cost was earth moving on this project. If we were working on flat land it would have cost about $3 million to $4 million for the mile.'

    By that estimation, the organization could afford to build about two more miles of border wall under similar circumstances, based on its total contributions received to date of $22,372,736.

    If Kolfage is correct about lower costs for building on flat land, the group could build another three-and-a-half miles of wall with its current donations.

    For context, the US Mexico border spans a total of 1,954 miles.

    When asked about claims that Kolfage has diverted funds from the donations he received on GoFundMe to pay for a private jet, he said those claims were false and he travels as a beneficiary of an organization called Veterans Airlift Command.

    'It's network of private jet owners who donated their time, their aircraft and fuel to fly wounded veterans who are disabled on private airplanes,' he said.

    'We cant spend a dollar without getting approval from internal and external audit committees. There's no way we could be buying private jets or a yacht with donor money.'

    Kolfage told DailyMail.com that this build has been approved by Trump and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    'We're talking with DHS and trying to get permission to build inside the Roosevelt Easement, and if that works out, we could build the entire wall from New Mexico to California with private donations,' he said.

    Kolfage said Kobach is handling all discussions with DHS.

    DailyMail.com reached out to DHS to confirm and did not immediately receive a reply.

    When asked if his organization would put in a bid to build the government funded portions of the wall, Kolfage said it had no plans to do that.

    'That seems like a mess and it's not really what it's about for our group,' he said.

    'We have letters of intent to build more border wall, but we're not releasing locations in advance. We're going to keep chugging along and raising money and supplementing the president's plan.'

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    more about the problem at the border.


    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    more immigration news that I don't really expect anyone to care about. this would continue to show that there is a legitimate problem at the southern border.

    this from Democrat Jeff Merkley about an article from Washington Post.


    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    That's pretty sad.
    Why?

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    If 3 million people become unemployed then unemployment goes up 1%.

    1.2 million illegal immigrants at the southern border alone a year. 800,000 babies born to illegal immigrants a year. That's 2 million population a year not counting people coming in by other means.

    I'm not for no immigration in any way at all, but the infrastructure both physical and legal is in desperate need of upgrades. I don't think there are any people on this board who don't agree with that, and I think that's reflected in the lack of activity in this thread.

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    I love how an article that says the group was apprehended is attempted to be passed off as a reason why we need a wall. Talk about limited government. We have a working system but we need more money and resources to convince bigots to donate money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I love how an article that says the group was apprehended is attempted to be passed off as a reason why we need a wall. Talk about limited government. We have a working system but we need more money and resources to convince bigots to donate money.
    I think part of it is that Dems in Congress are denying more infrastructure to deal with the people coming in while also complaining about the treatment of the same people in the limited infrastructure that is availlable.

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