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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I don't know what discussions you're following, but seriously broaden this if you think nobody is talking about the wall anymore. the discussion continues to be about the wall/fence (or whatever people want to call it) along with the reason for the wall which is illegal immigration.
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    You are heavily influenced by facades. The wall is a facade. The real discussion taking place here is wether we want to make America white again.

    Almost everyone agrees that illegal immigration should be reduced. Almost everyone agrees that our government should actively try and quell illegal immigration. Almost everyone understands illegal immigration has been trending down.

    If that's the case, then why such stark opposition on this topic?

    Look thru the facade and you will see this isn't even actually an immigration debate, it's a mawa debate. I would say vast majority of media manufactured debates are of this same formula. Facades.

    You yourself said they're playing politics. If you understand that, then you should understand what it is I am saying here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    You are heavily influenced by facades. The wall is a facade. The real discussion taking place here is wether we want to make America white again.

    Almost everyone agrees that illegal immigration should be reduced. Almost everyone agrees that our government should actively try and quell illegal immigration. Almost everyone understands illegal immigration has been trending down.

    If that's the case, then why such stark opposition on this topic?

    Look thru the facade and you will see this isn't even actually an immigration debate, it's a mawa debate. I would say vast majority of media manufactured debates are of this same formula. Facades.

    You yourself said they're playing politics. If you understand that, then you should understand what it is I am saying here.
    I don't think the majority of the immigration debate is about "making america white again"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I don't think the majority of the immigration debate is about "making america white again"
    The majority, I don't know. But ask yourself why we are talking about building a wall to solve our immigration problems when the majority of new illegal immigrants are because white people from Europe are overstaying their visas rather than people coming from Central or South America.
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    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I don't think the majority of the immigration debate is about "making america white again"
    Oh I definitely do. We are way past actual immigration issues, it's effect on the country, and how to solve them. Our govt is actually shut down over this, there's major layoffs going on at Yosemite and other parks in California, while businesses are at a halt there.

    At this point its just a pro trump anti trump thing. Either you back the guy up or you oppose him, and that's where the convo is and will most probably remain until we get another president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    The majority, I don't know. But ask yourself why we are talking about building a wall to solve our immigration problems when the majority of new illegal immigrants are because white people from Europe are overstaying their visas rather than people coming from Central or South America.
    I didn't mean to imply race was no part of it. I pass for white and I can see it around me. But I think the majority of it is fear mongering about things other than race.

    I honestly don't know so this isn't any kind of back handed accusation, but do you have any support for your assertion that the largest racial group of illegals are Caucasian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Oh I definitely do. We are way past actual immigration issues, it's effect on the country, and how to solve them. Our govt is actually shut down over this, there's major layoffs going on at Yosemite and other parks in California, while businesses are at a halt there.

    At this point its just a pro trump anti trump thing. Either you back the guy up or you oppose him, and that's where the convo is and will most probably remain until we get another president.
    I get all that, but that doesn't make it a white supremacy issue (even if Trump is a racist).

    And I know plenty of people who are against Trump but for a strong border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    I get all that, but that doesn't make it a white supremacy issue (even if Trump is a racist).

    And I know plenty of people who are against Trump but for a strong border.
    I wouldn't say a white supremacy issue. Just that I believe the rhetoric has dominated the actual issue in this case. Maybe not on the surface, but I do believe it is there at the core. On both sides. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy there are people siding against trumps divisive rhetoric, that's something which personally helps me, but both sides are kinda entrenched in it. I am, myself, too. I just oppose it, he came at this whole thing from too sideways a manner from the jump, I ain't with it. **** him, lol

    Kinda like the Muslim ban. Even if he modified it to contain less countries, dude already showed his hand, I already know where he's coming from, I already know what is driving him to say and do what he does. I ain't on board with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    You don’t need to be macgyver to run a saw, a few fingers and a thumb will manage. I bid jobs 10-15 times a year that require us to cut off steel posts filled with concrete. We figure about 5 minutes a post, and we have to cut them flush.

    I can’t find any stats on their site that don’t be include all ports of entry, which is a completely different subject. We are talking about a very narrow slice of that problem. I’m assuming you didn’t get that at first look, which is why I asked you to point at the specific numbers.

    2-3 billion could double the amount of border agents from 20,000 to 40,000. That’s a man every 1/3 mile, 24/7 with about a 25% budget increase that I’m not really concerned about. I’m just pulling it from the military budget, they’ll get by. That’s a far cry from the 25B needed for a wall that still requires a substantial increase in border agents to be effective. Nevermind the annual maintenance on said wall.

    It absolutely is hyperbole. Feel free to run the clip of any past presidents proposing a 30ft. concrete wall the entire length of our southern border that Mexico will pay for. This and what you say after get to the root of the problem. The Congress hasn’t done the things that would be EFFECTIVE in solving the problem at the border, so let’s throw a tantrum and put up a big wall. Sound logic. It’s a vanity feel good project and nothing more.
    I understand you don't believe walls can work. Even I don't believe they are going to stop every single person. But I do believe a wall is a very important piece to a layered security plan. I don't really believe that the total number of people attempting to breach the border will all show up with gas demo saws. And I do believe that if you provide a means to drastically slow them down from simply sprinting across that it will reduce the flow and allow the additional measures (technology and border agents) to have time to detect and respond.

    And no, I do not recall off hand any of those other politicians proposing a 30 ft. wall. The problem is they all campaign on it, promise they are all in to fix it for the American people, make impassioned speeches about it.....................get the votes and then do nothing about it. So here we are. To date and currently no one has proposed a real actionable plan besides the wall. So here we are. Democrats are vehemently opposed to the wall while at the same time going on about how FOR they are for border security......yet have proposed no actual plan, no actual budget and nothing tangible. So here we are. And no the .."walls don't work, we will use technology and drones" is a vague talking point with zero actual substance. There's no plan and there's no budget from that side. So here we are. You can hate him or think he's got a horrible agenda....but like it or a major reason Trump won was because he campaigned on specific issues with specific goals...provided lists of judges he'd appoint etc......and like it or not he's attempting to follow through on the items he campaigned on. Name an issue where HRC or any of his political opponents have provided a detailed plan to fix problems?

    So again....with all the acrimony...every republican politician I've seen seems to be saying to Dems......if you don't like it what's your plan?...........well, what is it? Again we're all the way back to Bush 41 without a solution from any of them...............>So here we are.

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    Extended DACA eligibility for $2B to build a wall. No extra money for maintenance, one time amount. Trump needs a deal to save face with his base and we want to treat people humanely. If not, then he gets no wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatch View Post
    I understand you don't believe walls can work. Even I don't believe they are going to stop every single person. But I do believe a wall is a very important piece to a layered security plan. I don't really believe that the total number of people attempting to breach the border will all show up with gas demo saws. And I do believe that if you provide a means to drastically slow them down from simply sprinting across that it will reduce the flow and allow the additional measures (technology and border agents) to have time to detect and respond.

    And no, I do not recall off hand any of those other politicians proposing a 30 ft. wall. The problem is they all campaign on it, promise they are all in to fix it for the American people, make impassioned speeches about it.....................get the votes and then do nothing about it. So here we are. To date and currently no one has proposed a real actionable plan besides the wall. So here we are. Democrats are vehemently opposed to the wall while at the same time going on about how FOR they are for border security......yet have proposed no actual plan, no actual budget and nothing tangible. So here we are. And no the .."walls don't work, we will use technology and drones" is a vague talking point with zero actual substance. There's no plan and there's no budget from that side. So here we are. You can hate him or think he's got a horrible agenda....but like it or a major reason Trump won was because he campaigned on specific issues with specific goals...provided lists of judges he'd appoint etc......and like it or not he's attempting to follow through on the items he campaigned on. Name an issue where HRC or any of his political opponents have provided a detailed plan to fix problems?

    So again....with all the acrimony...every republican politician I've seen seems to be saying to Dems......if you don't like it what's your plan?...........well, what is it? Again we're all the way back to Bush 41 without a solution from any of them...............>So here we are.
    A few things. I’m sure a barrier could help agents in certain areas, we built them under presidents from both parties. When they are part of a comprehensive plan, they aren’t completely absurd. A call for a 30ft. concrete wall the length of the border is absurd, and a ham handed race-baiting pander. It’s nothing more. Shutting the government down and throwing a tantrum like a five year old after Democrats have passed a funding bill that was negotiated with majorities in both houses by your Vice President if a ****ing joke. When the needed budget goes from 25B, to 5B, to please let me build something makes it nothing more than a vanity project. I’d rather give him a million bucks to build a big sign with his name on it.

    I can assure you that no other presidents did call for a 30ft concrete wall the length of the border. They all had their problems, but they were adults. Sure he’s trying to fulfill a campaign promise, it should have been easy with both houses. Moreover he made his wall/immigration his main issue in a midterm where he got whooped. Any mandate he has is gone, the dems are doing what the voters asked of them.

    This idea that the dems have no plan for the border is nonsense. Again, they passed the bill that Pence(acting as Trumps surrogate) negotiated with the Senate word for word. A bill his house wouldn’t put up for vote. A plan that has been reducing immigrants coming from the border consistently for a decade. A “crisis” that has been ignored for sure.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I wouldn't say a white supremacy issue. Just that I believe the rhetoric has dominated the actual issue in this case. Maybe not on the surface, but I do believe it is there at the core. On both sides. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy there are people siding against trumps divisive rhetoric, that's something which personally helps me, but both sides are kinda entrenched in it. I am, myself, too. I just oppose it, he came at this whole thing from too sideways a manner from the jump, I ain't with it. **** him, lol

    Kinda like the Muslim ban. Even if he modified it to contain less countries, dude already showed his hand, I already know where he's coming from, I already know what is driving him to say and do what he does. I ain't on board with that.
    Okay. When you say "make america white again" it implies white supremacy to me. And the immigration issue WAY pre-dates Trump and his rhetorical insanity so I don't think it's a core issue for most people. It's certainly there, there are always going to be some people who want fewer brown people, but I don't think it's a fundamental motivation for the vast majority of people who want to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the country (something that has been fundamentally supported by Democrats until Trump decided to pipe up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    You are heavily influenced by facades. The wall is a facade. The real discussion taking place here is wether we want to make America white again.
    I think that this is your own bias that allows you to believe this.







    just as some here, these people continue to be ignored by a certain side.











    get ready for the Liberal media to be wrong about another caravan.






    still waiting for those on the left to talk about these many different things..





    https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/...der-walls-work
    'The President Is Right': Former Border Patrol Chief Under Obama Says Walls ‘Absolutely Work’




    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...0E814T20140528
    Waves of immigrant minors present crisis for Obama, Congress
    https://www.upi.com/Record-number-of...4921540314448/
    A record number of family members were apprehended at the U.S. border with Mexico in September, Customs and Border Patrol data released Tuesday indicates.

    CPB said 16,658 family members were apprehended, a record high for a single month. The figure is comparable to numbers seen in 2014 during a surge in unaccompanied minors. That year there were 16,330 family apprehensions in June and in December 2016 there were 16,139.

    The report showed there were 396,579 apprehensions for fiscal year 2018, up 30.5 percent from fiscal year 2017.

    Fiscal year 2018 apprehensions included 107,212 family members, 50,036 unaccompanied minors and 239,331 single adults. The number of family members or minors to cross in fiscal year 2018 represented about 40 percent of all apprehensions or inadmissible border crossers.




    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/1...migration-2009
    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has been an outspoken critic of President Trump's immigration policies.

    But in a speech in 2009, Schumer espoused views against illegal immigration that sound strikingly similar to what President Trump has said since 2015.

    Speaking at an immigration policy conference at Georgetown Law, Schumer said, "Illegal immigration is wrong, and a primary goal of comprehensive immigration reform must be to dramatically curtail future illegal immigration."

    Schumer also called for significant increases in infrastructure, technology and border personnel to achieve "operational control of our borders," in addition to an expansion of the E-Verify program to disincentivize illegal immigrants coming to the U.S. for jobs.

    “When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."

    “People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally," Schumer said later in the speech.




    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01...-donald-trump/
    in 2006 Schumer, now one of the leaders of the anti-wall forces in Washington, voted to build 700 miles of fence on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Three years later, he said progress in ending illegal immigration was defined by, “construction of a 630-mile border fence that creates a significant barrier to illegal immigration on our southern land border.”
    “Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced that we will stop future flows of illegal immigration we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now,”
    Kramer: “What’s the difference between a wall and a fence?”

    Schumer: “A lot. It’s not just fencing. A fence works. You ask the experts. A big, concrete wall is expensive and it doesn’t work. You don’t just need fencing. You need drones, you need helicopters and you need roads. The agents can’t get people crossing the border because they can’t get there.”





    https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal...w?cuecard=3418
    One last pre-election event on the red-hot issue of illegal immigration for President Bush. He signed a bill today authorizing the construction of a fence along the border with Mexico. This fence would be 700 miles long, though the border is much longer, and cost anywhere between 2 and $6 billion. And as NBC's George Lewis tells us tonight, though the fence has a lot of fans, others say it won't fix anything.

    GEORGE LEWIS, reporting:

    This section of the border at San Ysidro, south of San Diego, was once the number one hot spot for illegal crossings, but not since they beefed up the fence here in the 1990's. It cut the flow of illegal immigration here way back, and that's what the government hopes to do elsewhere by fencing about one third of the border with Mexico. Now, starting here in California and extending eastward along the border, the law authorizes new fencing where illegal immigrant traffic is the heaviest, but leaves many areas still open. The bill signed by the president authorizes but does not fund the fence.





    https://cis.org/Report/Have-Terroris...sed-Our-Border
    Have Terrorists Crossed Our Border?
    An initial count of suspected terrorists encountered en route and at the U.S. Southwest Border Since 2001
    15 suspected terrorists have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, or en route, since 2001.






    https://abc7chicago.com/trump-makes-...-wall/5011448/
    Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents many -- but not all -- border agents, called for "physical barriers" at the border.





    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1812/28/es.03.html
    DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Christine and Joe, Secretary Nielsen is headed to the border and her stated purpose to examine the medical screenings that are taking place in the border control situations. Obviously, with two children who had within the past month, she is facing the crisis and one of the things she has ordered her agency to do is offer enhanced medical screenings. She wants to witness that process first hand. She will be in El Paso on Friday and in Yuma, Arizona, on Saturday.

    In the meantime, we are getting a better understanding of why this father and son made this entry into the United States. The mother spoke to "Reuters". One of the things she told them is they were under the impression if you travel with a child, you have a better chance of gaining entry into the country. She says she was essentially encouraged by neighbors to do this.

    One of the quotes she gave "Reuters" was lots of them have gone with children and managed to cross, even if they are held for a month or two.

    [05:10:06] And it is statements that critics say that is the problem with U.S. immigration policy that it incentivizes bringing children across the border, that if you're a family from a country that does not border the United States, you are not automatically deported. Oftentimes family members go free while immigration proceedings are pending.





    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...utdown-1074815

    mid a government shutdown centered on President Donald Trump’s demands for border wall funding, the president again slammed Democrats on Monday for refusing to give him the funding levels he wants.

    “Virtually every Democrat we are dealing with today strongly supported a Border Wall or Fence,” Trump tweeted. “It was only when I made it an important part of my campaign, because people and drugs were pouring into our Country unchecked, that they turned against it. Desperately needed!”

    The comments echo a talking point that congressional Republicans have circulated in recent days — noting that a failed 2013 immigration plan, which garnered Senate Democratic support, would have devoted $46 billion to border security.

    That is much more than the $5 billion Trump has demanded in border wall funding, a point that largely prompted the current shutdown.

    But the $46 billion tells only part of the story. Just $8 billion would have gone toward border fencing — which Democrats are at pains to note is different than a wall. A “30-foot concrete wall, 30-foot steel spikes, that's not the smart way, and that's what all the experts on the border tell us,“ said Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) on Sunday’s “This Week“ on ABC in discussing the distinction.





    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ncrete-wall-at
    President Trump said Sunday that his administration is pushing for a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall along the southern border, calling it a "good solution" amid a partial government shutdown centered on discussions over funding for the structure.
    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...-off-the-table
    Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said President Trump has moved away from his desire for a concrete wall along the U.S.-Mexico border toward a plan for metal fencing instead, which he said indicates how the president is working to compromise with Democrats.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...its-not-a-wall
    “The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats," Kelly added. "But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it."

    Kelly, who will leave the administration in the coming days after a contentious tenure, said Customs and Border Protection Agents told him during his brief stint as Homeland Security secretary that they need physical barriers in some areas, but largely indicated a desire for new technology and additional personnel.







    these are the real victims.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr...exual-purposes
    Illegal Alien Pleads Guilty to Transporting Minor for Sexual Purposes
    A Honduran man who illegally entered the United States pleaded guilty yesterday to transportation of a person for criminal sexual purposes.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/su...led/index.html
    Suspect who shot and killed California officer was in the country illegally

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/undocumen...-year-old-girl
    A Guatemalan citizen living in the United States illegally was sentenced Monday to 50 years in prison for raping a 6-year-old girl in Tennessee.
    He had been detained in 2013 when he tried entering the U.S. illegally. He failed to appear at an immigration hearing.

    https://abc7ny.com/police-undocument...-teen/5045829/

    Teen stabbed in attack by 3 alleged MS-13 members from his high school on Long Island
    According to police, Lopez entered the United States illegally on December 8, 2016. He was picked up by the Department of Homeland Security in October 2017, but a federal judge released him from custody in June.

    Zuniga and Molina entered the country illegally as unaccompanied minors. Molina was picked up by DHS in July 2017 but released by a federal district judge in November 2017.





    illegal immigration remains high..

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...sts/index.html
    Families crossing illegally at the US-Mexico border in December reached a record high for the fourth month in a row, according to Customs and Border Protection data obtained by CNN.

    In December, US Border Patrol arrested 27,518 family members, up nearly 240% from last December, which had 8,120 arrests. Arrests on the border are used by the government as a measure of illegal crossings. There has been a steady upswing in family arrests since August, when 12,760 family members were apprehended.
    record high for 4th straight month.
    Total arrests have remained steady for the past few months, but dipped slightly from 51,856 in November to 50,753 in December.
    November - 51,856.
    December - 50,753.
    October - 50,975.






    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...leenan-1076887
    “What we’re talking about is not just a dumb barrier,” McAleenan said. “We’re talking about sensors, cameras, lighting, access roads for our agents, a system that helps us secure that area of the border. That’s what we were asking Congress.”
    “We need a barrier to help us stop that, to push into — the traffic into areas that we can control more effectively,”




    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/68403...border-barrier
    "I started in the San Diego sector in 1992 and it didn't matter how many agents we lined up," said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott. "We could not make a measurable impact on the flow [of undocumented immigrants] across the border. It wasn't until we installed barriers along the border that gave us the upper hand that we started to get control."

    Forty-six of the 60 miles of border in the San Diego sector are currently protected by some type of barrier. Scott says in the places where he has two levels of fencing he achieves 90 percent operational control.




    https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/...der-walls-work
    'The President Is Right': Former Border Patrol Chief Under Obama Says Walls ‘Absolutely Work’
    The chief of U.S. Border Patrol during Barack Obama's presidency said Monday that President Trump is right in his view that border walls are effective.

    Mark Morgan said on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" that walls "absolutely work" and that there is no real argument against building and implementing one.
    "I cannot think of a legitimate argument why anyone would not support the wall as part of a multi-layered border security issue," noting his experience with the FBI in Texas.

    He added that Trump is correct in calling the issues at the border a national security problem, and that border security professionals think the same.

    "Why aren't we listening to the experts and the people who do it every day? I don't understand that."




    maybe more Democrats can agree with Katie Hill..

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1901/11/cnr.03.html
    HILL: I mean, I will definitely -- I don't know if it's steel. I will vote for some money for physical barriers.













    bottom line..



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    Do they send you those articles already bolded? Serious question. If you actually read the entire quotes, all the questions you have are answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Extended DACA eligibility for $2B to build a wall. No extra money for maintenance, one time amount. Trump needs a deal to save face with his base and we want to treat people humanely. If not, then he gets no wall.
    I think you underestimate what his base is thinking ... from what I've heard in Texas they like that a President is finally standing up to the Dems and being a stubborn prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Okay. When you say "make america white again" it implies white supremacy to me. And the immigration issue WAY pre-dates Trump and his rhetorical insanity so I don't think it's a core issue for most people. It's certainly there, there are always going to be some people who want fewer brown people, but I don't think it's a fundamental motivation for the vast majority of people who want to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the country (something that has been fundamentally supported by Democrats until Trump decided to pipe up).
    Exactly, this immigration issue way predates trump, yet it is today and today only that it is now an emergency which requires a shut down.

    The immigration issue is the same. The rhetoric is different. Like I said, this is really about the rhetoric, that's why today we're having national emergencies for things that are actually improved compared from yesterday.
    RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS

    "i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts

    "God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory

    "don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train

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