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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    2011 - Ryan Clark, Best FS that year, out
    2014 - No Bell
    2015 - No Bell, No Brown
    2016 - No Bell

    Nice try though.
    Still Ls to good defenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    2011 - Ryan Clark, Best FS that year, out
    2014 - No Bell
    2015 - No Bell, No Brown
    2016 - No Bell

    Nice try though.
    You said it meant you usually win, he just pointed out that wasn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    You said it meant you usually win, he just pointed out that wasn't true.
    So? You can have 4 losses and still have the word “usually” apply.

    And two of those games came down to final possessions too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    2011 - Ryan Clark, Best FS that year, out
    2014 - No Bell
    2015 - No Bell, No Brown
    2016 - No Bell

    Nice try though.
    Excuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    So? You can have 4 losses and still have the word “usually” apply.

    And two of those games came down to final possessions too.
    Usually would imply more playoff wins since 2009. 5-5 in the past 9 years...Not great. Considering Ben's career playoff W-L is 13-7....5-5 out of the past 9 years, no bueno, I'd refrain from using the word usually with that kind of record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    Excuse
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    Yes missing your most important player is an excuse....You would be the same one using it if Brady was out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Yes missing your most important player is an excuse....You would be the same one using it if Brady was out.
    Ryan Clark was your most important player in 2011? Ha. Equating Brady to Bell is a joke. Bell is good, but he's not Brady. We've won SB's without Gronk and with Troy Brown playing CB, We've lost SB's and playoff games without Gronk, I never made that excuse. SB caliber teams find a way. Losing a QB would be different, that's why I don't fault PIT for the years they missed the playoffs when Ben was out for a good portion of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    So? You can have 4 losses and still have the word “usually” apply.

    And two of those games came down to final possessions too.
    We usually win when people doubt us too, except for when we lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    Ryan Clark was your most important player in 2011? Ha. Equating Brady to Bell is a joke. Bell is good, but he's not Brady. We've won SB's without Gronk and with Troy Brown playing CB, We've lost SB's and playoff games without Gronk, I never made that excuse. SB caliber teams find a way. Losing a QB would be different, that's why I don't fault PIT for the years they missed the playoffs when Ben was out for a good portion of the season.
    Yes Ryan Clark was our most important defensive player in 2011. He was the best FS in football that year.

    Yes Bell is that important to us. Your offense isn’t the same when Gronk is out and that’s what happens to us but a little bit more extreme with Bell.

    Fully stocked offenses struggle to beat great defenses, so why should ones with injuries be any different?

    The Pats lose to that Denver (2015) and Baltimore teams. I guess they struggle against good defenses too huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    Since their last SB win, PIT has lost mostly to top defenses in the playoffs.
    2011 - Denver (worst loss in PIT history) - Not a good defensive team but, Tim Tebow, c'mon man
    2014 - Baltimore - #6 points defense in the league
    2015 - Denver - #1 defense in the league
    2016 - New England - #1 point against defense
    To be fair, two of those losses are to Denver, and Denver owns Pittsburgh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    To be fair, two of those losses are to Denver, and Denver owns Pittsburgh.
    True. Especially in Denver. But man that 2011 when Ryan Clark couldn’t even be in Denver because of his sickle cell trait sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Yes missing your most important player is an excuse....You would be the same one using it if Brady was out.
    Bell is more important than Roethlisberger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Bell is more important than Roethlisberger?
    Yes. We struggled offensively before and without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Bell is more important than Roethlisberger?
    lol, no

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Yes. We struggled offensively before and without him.
    With Bell and Landry Jones Pitts offense would be screwed.
    Without Bell but with Ben Pitts offense would still be ok.
    As great as Bell is, they can win without him. They aren't winning anything without Ben playing QB

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