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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSportsHound View Post
    But Josh Allen is literally the same, physically and statistically as Kizer, expect he has a little stronger arm... He's not the answer.
    hmmm.


    i disagree.

    But I see what you're saying.

    Also. I'm coming off as a troll, sorry, I really do want to see you guys play well.


    @ClevelandFan11 made a very good point.

    I think Allen is a diamond in the rough is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachyderm View Post
    hmmm.


    i disagree.

    But I see what you're saying.

    Also. I'm coming off as a troll, sorry, I really do want to see you guys play well.


    @ClevelandFan11 made a very good point.

    I think Allen is a diamond in the rough is all.
    It's all good brother. And Allen may be a diamond in the rough, but for the first time in a long long long time, we have the opportunity to make out team better. As a passionate fan I would rather pick sure fire players, than a maybe. Cause in Cleveland (kind of like prom in high school lol) a maybe is always no. Now if the ENTIRE front office and Coaching Staff are in love with one of the QB's, then we have to pull the trigger on them with the top pick. No questions at all. But if they aren't all sold, stay the heck away. This isn't the year to gamble IMO. Build one of the best young foundations in the league. And next year sign or trade the entire draft away for a QB. We just aren't built yet

    Quote Originally Posted by brownies236 View Post
    Who is the QB after next year? Drafting a RB that high is a luxury pick. The Browns have way too many holes, and RBs donít change games. A similarly skilled RB can be drafted in the early 2nd.
    Drafting a RB is a luxury pick, but Barkley is argubely the best prospect in the whole draft. Look what Elliott did for Prescott. Or Lynch for Wilson. Or Ajay for Foles. I don't think Taylor is the answer for QB, but again if Dorsey, Jackson, & Company aren't sold on Allen/Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold, take a luxury pick. Draft a playmaker over someone who may or may not be a play maker. As to who could QB this team after this season. I think you give Taylor a chance this season to ressurect his career. If not look at free agents or Drew Lock/Clayton Thorson in the draft (who knows how they will play next year)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ClevelandFan11 View Post
    Drafting a RB is a luxury pick, but Barkley is argubely the best prospect in the whole draft. Look what Elliott did for Prescott. Or Lynch for Wilson. Or Ajay for Foles. I don't think Taylor is the answer for QB, but again if Dorsey, Jackson, & Company aren't sold on Allen/Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold, take a luxury pick. Draft a playmaker over someone who may or may not be a play maker. As to who could QB this team after this season. I think you give Taylor a chance this season to ressurect his career. If not look at free agents or Drew Lock/Clayton Thorson in the draft (who knows how they will play next year)
    Yeah there are running backs that helped, but to me, a RB is a dime a dozen, and does not take over games. Look at AP, one of the greats. The Vikings were garbage year in and year out until they had a QB. Same can be said for Gore in SF. Maybe I am still a little "stung" from TRich being drafted at 3 since he was a once in a generation sure fire no doubt franchise changing running back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownies236 View Post
    Yeah there are running backs that helped, but to me, a RB is a dime a dozen, and does not take over games. Look at AP, one of the greats. The Vikings were garbage year in and year out until they had a QB. Same can be said for Gore in SF. Maybe I am still a little "stung" from TRich being drafted at 3 since he was a once in a generation sure fire no doubt franchise changing running back.
    The Vikingings had three bad records with AP, out of 9. Now they didn't win any superbowls, but they weren't horrible. The Cowboys also fell apart without Zeke. And trust me I remember the whole Richardson blunder. But the biggest difference I see is 1) Barkley ran behind a way worse line 2) BArkley ran great againsit the best Big10 defenses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brownies236 View Post
    Yeah there are running backs that helped, but to me, a RB is a dime a dozen, and does not take over games. Look at AP, one of the greats. The Vikings were garbage year in and year out until they had a QB. Same can be said for Gore in SF. Maybe I am still a little "stung" from TRich being drafted at 3 since he was a once in a generation sure fire no doubt franchise changing running back.
    Well, I have a theory, maybe it is weak but here goes:

    If your O line can block almost any running back is ok, and the same pretty much goes for your QB too.
    It is nice however to have a more than adequate QB if you can.
    Punching holes for the RB and protecting the QB seem to make a huge difference.*


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    Exciting time to be a Browns fan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClevelandFan11 View Post
    The Vikingings had three bad records with AP, out of 9. Now they didn't win any superbowls, but they weren't horrible. The Cowboys also fell apart without Zeke. And trust me I remember the whole Richardson blunder. But the biggest difference I see is 1) Barkley ran behind a way worse line 2) BArkley ran great againsit the best Big10 defenses.
    Just looked it up. I didnít remember Minnesota being that good. My mistake on that one.

    I still think a RB is a luxury pick and shouldnít be used that high unless it is the final piece. I feel a comperable talent can be taken much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownies236 View Post
    Just looked it up. I didnít remember Minnesota being that good. My mistake on that one.

    I still think a RB is a luxury pick and shouldnít be used that high unless it is the final piece. I feel a comperable talent can be taken much later.
    If they have Barkley and Michel/Guice rated super close to each other then I agree don't grab Barkley with the first. But if Barkley is rated far superior than grab him and don't reach on a QB. Now I have been pushing for Barkley because I think it makes the most sense in context. But a Chubb & Garrett duo on the defensive line would be scary good. I just don't see the Browns picking a DE two straight years


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    I think Hyde changes things a bit. He can be a pretty big weapon if he's healthy. Easily better than Crowell.

    A Hyde/Johnson backfield satisfies me in the short-term. I'd rather beef up another area than take Saquon Barkley. This RB class is DEEP. I think we can worry about getting another running back with a late pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    I think Hyde changes things a bit. He can be a pretty big weapon if he's healthy. Easily better than Crowell.

    A Hyde/Johnson backfield satisfies me in the short-term. I'd rather beef up another area than take Saquon Barkley. This RB class is DEEP. I think we can worry about getting another running back with a late pick.
    I do think Hyde makes things more interesting. At this point, I think the Browns take the best player avaible. I think it may end up being either Bradley Chubb or Barkley personally. But I think we are in a great spot to trade away the 4th pick


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    Thank you Joe for 11 great seasons!!

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    I like Penny with 64th pick instead of Barkley.

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    Trade up to #2 and draft Darnold and Chubb #1 and #2 and you'll have impact players on offense and defense for years to come. Draft is rich with running backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownies236 View Post
    Just looked it up. I didnít remember Minnesota being that good. My mistake on that one.

    I still think a RB is a luxury pick and shouldnít be used that high unless it is the final piece. I feel a comperable talent can be taken much later.
    I honestly believe and think after all the off-season acquisitions, every pick is a luxury pick focused solely on taking the best players available at all times!!! Don't reach, stay true to your board and put the best talent on the team.

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