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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by effen5 View Post
    I disagree.

    Ron Adams wanted Green, we picked a guy that isn't in the league anymore.

    That and McDermott trade alone makes the last 5 years AWFUL.

    Oh and selling a young asset for cash to GSW who happens to be contributing to a championship team.
    He's playing 9 minutes a game with the best roster this league has ever seen... if he isn't playing well in only 9 minutes against backups, then i would be shocked



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    Quote Originally Posted by effen5 View Post
    The teams that continuously miss... they fire their general manager.
    Word...it's just amazing that they still have jobs after blaming and firing Thibs, keeping the same roster and then missing the playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shammyguy3 View Post
    He's playing 9 minutes a game with the best roster this league has ever seen... if he isn't playing well in only 9 minutes against backups, then i would be shocked
    High second round picks are a valuable building block and the Bulls sold theirs for cash. Inexcusable for an organization that sold fans on a rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Word...it's just amazing that they still have jobs after blaming and firing Thibs, keeping the same roster and then missing the playoffs.



    High second round picks are a valuable building block and the Bulls sold theirs for cash. Inexcusable for an organization that sold fans on a rebuild.
    Did I read this right? A second round pick is a building block? Since when? Is this new? Becaus they get traded and sold all the time do you might need to send a memo out to all teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    Did I read this right? A second round pick is a building block? Since when? Is this new? Becaus they get traded and sold all the time do you might need to send a memo out to all teams.
    Those high second round picks are good chips to have and use. Morey's been using them for a decade to find young talent super cheap. Picking early in the second gives you late first round talent without the guaranteed contract. It's a low risk lottery ticket that as you mentioned is acquired cheaply.

    For a rebuilding team it's a great piece to have, even more so now that rosters have expanded to 17. Sam Hinkie also understood the value of this chip and stockpiled early seconds, though he did not have quite the success Morey has had.

    As a rebuilding team in a major market, selling off that pick is embarrassing.

    And btw, Jordan Bell is definitely a building block a rebuilding team would be lucky to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Those high second round picks are good chips to have and use. Morey's been using them for a decade to find young talent super cheap. Picking early in the second gives you late first round talent without the guaranteed contract. It's a low risk lottery ticket that as you mentioned is acquired cheaply.

    For a rebuilding team it's a great piece to have, even more so now that rosters have expanded to 17. Sam Hinkie also understood the value of this chip and stockpiled early seconds, though he did not have quite the success Morey has had.

    As a rebuilding team in a major market, selling off that pick is embarrassing.

    And btw, Jordan Bell is definitely a building block a rebuilding team would be lucky to have.
    Bell would have looked far better than he is and we would have paid him big. Then weíd ***** because we gave him a huge contract. When the goal is to lose, then lose. Donít get hung up on fringe players that wonít take you anywhere. You sign those guys when your competing for chips

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    I agree with you that cash for a second round pick sucks and that they are valuable assets, we just donít have any room for overachievers now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    Bell would have looked far better than he is and we would have paid him big. Then weíd ***** because we gave him a huge contract. When the goal is to lose, then lose. Donít get hung up on fringe players that wonít take you anywhere. You sign those guys when your competing for chips
    I kinda agree with this. We are a team at the trying to lose stage of a complete rebuild. It's not like Bell is a long term solution for us. I mean I woulda been cool just drafting him but at the same time I'm not losing sleep like some of y'all over trading him for cash.

    Right now my main focus is losing, Denzel/Lauri/Dunn/Lavine/Portis progressing, and everyone else sucking it up enough to make sure we get that top pick. I could see us making a deadline deal with Robin and/or Niko.

    I'm also kinda starting to lean toward Marvin Bagley. He loves to play down low and demands the ball as a true Freshman that's supposed to be in high school. I also kind of trust Coach K's assessment that he is the kind of talent he coached on Team USA. Lauri loves to play outside. An inside out of Bagley and Lauri could be a great fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears34ft View Post
    I kinda agree with this. We are a team at the trying to lose stage of a complete rebuild. It's not like Bell is a long term solution for us. I mean I woulda been cool just drafting him but at the same time I'm not losing sleep like some of y'all over trading him for cash.

    Right now my main focus is losing, Denzel/Lauri/Dunn/Lavine/Portis progressing, and everyone else sucking it up enough to make sure we get that top pick. I could see us making a deadline deal with Robin and/or Niko.

    I'm also kinda starting to lean toward Marvin Bagley. He loves to play down low and demands the ball as a true Freshman that's supposed to be in high school. I also kind of trust Coach K's assessment that he is the kind of talent he coached on Team USA. Lauri loves to play outside. An inside out of Bagley and Lauri could be a great fit.
    Bagley would be an awseome get for us. We really need either a veteran pg who can play the pick and popand pick and roll game who can get into the lane and make a consistent shot for lauri to really flourish. I realize dunn virtually is a rookie learning i like some of the things he can do. But he needs to get better at his late game decision making skills and shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BooCain View Post
    Bagley would be an awseome get for us. We really need either a veteran pg who can play the pick and popand pick and roll game who can get into the lane and make a consistent shot for lauri to really flourish. I realize dunn virtually is a rookie learning i like some of the things he can do. But he needs to get better at his late game decision making skills and shooting.
    We can worry about getting veterans in the 2019 or 2020 offseason. We don't need guys out here trying to win games this year or next. We need to ride the struggle bus all season for the next 2 seasons, and once we get a good grasp on the worst record in the league, we can play to win over the last month of the season. I don't care if it's frowned upon, tanking is necessary for us right now. I can deal with it for a few years. After we land 2 top 3-5 picks over the next 2 years, then I want to see us bringing in veterans to push us back into the playoff picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears34ft View Post
    We can worry about getting veterans in the 2019 or 2020 offseason. We don't need guys out here trying to win games this year or next. We need to ride the struggle bus all season for the next 2 seasons, and once we get a good grasp on the worst record in the league, we can play to win over the last month of the season. I don't care if it's frowned upon, tanking is necessary for us right now. I can deal with it for a few years. After we land 2 top 3-5 picks over the next 2 years, then I want to see us bringing in veterans to push us back into the playoff picture.
    This. If we have 3-5 guys currently on the roster in 2 seasons we built correctly. Dunn, Lavine, Lauri are what matter. Valentine, Portis, Mirotic could stay or go but need to look good so we get some value for them. Bring in a draft pick. Fill out with veteran role playersz

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Word...it's just amazing that they still have jobs after blaming and firing Thibs, keeping the same roster and then missing the playoffs.



    High second round picks are a valuable building block and the Bulls sold theirs for cash. Inexcusable for an organization that sold fans on a rebuild.
    I agree. Surprised?



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    Everybody says Bulls are awful, that we cannot win a game even with luck by our side. There is no doubt I would support anyone who hates GarPax duo, because they have done a bunch of pathetic decisions in the last years. But, in regard to this rebuilding, nothing bad can be said so far.

    I consider Butler price correct, because we have obtained three great pieces. In matter of fact, if I had to decide among all our rosters players, I would choose Dunn, LaVine and Markkanen as our three best players. Not bad at all for a player who would be here only two more years. Just this movement saved us for two or even three additional rebuilding years.

    In regard to Noah and Rose, we took the proper decision too. The only think I regretted when we trade Rose was to include Holiday in the trade, and he returned this summer, so... Besides we added R.Lopez and Grant to our team, so I am happy with it. Noah wanted to gain more money than he deserved, it has been proved: nothing we should/could do either.

    Our team has lost a lot of games by 5 point or less, just a similar situation Wolves lived last year. No wonder, because the players destined to be our leader in the next years are: Markkanen (a baggage of 20 games in the NBA), LaVine (has not played this season yet) and our next top 4 project in the next draft (I would find strange if Ayton, Bagley, Doncic or Porter didnít take part in 5 allstar games at least, throughout their careers).

    The only thing I would protest in the last two years is about Wade trade. I didnít understand why they traded for him, but it has been proved they did it in a desperate move in order to avoid the rebuilding process. But what I didnít understand at all was why they didnít trade Wade to Lakers, when they showed interest and you are the team in which Luol Deng takes more sense as leader. I am sure we could have added pieces like Randle, Clarkson, Zubac or Nance in this trade.

    Anyway, Gar Forman cannot be resigned by any means, just like I listened some weeks ago, but this is not the best moment to claim he must be fired, because him, along with Paxson, have taken a step forward in order to rebuild our team and there are teams like Wolves and 76ers, which are the best examples at this point, which wasnít in our current situation, regarding valuable players, until they were in their third or fourth rebuilding year.
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    Wade was a free agent I believe, still no pint in ever bringing him to Chicago, not in 2016 anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benny01 View Post
    Bell would have looked far better than he is and we would have paid him big. Then weíd ***** because we gave him a huge contract. When the goal is to lose, then lose. Donít get hung up on fringe players that wonít take you anywhere. You sign those guys when your competing for chips
    Bell wasnt going to prevent the tank but he would've been a cost effective prototypical modern big for several years.

    This season is the last of the full out tank. Next year the lottery odds flatten and being worst is considered the same as being 3rd worst. Just another example of the Bulls front office being behind the curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Bell wasnt going to prevent the tank but he would've been a cost effective prototypical modern big for several years.

    This season is the last of the full out tank. Next year the lottery odds flatten and being worst is considered the same as being 3rd worst. Just another example of the Bulls front office being behind the curve.
    We should be a lock for a top 3 pick this year barring we donít get really unlucky with the lottery. Next year we will likely be guaranteed a top 5. Letís not be over dramatic here. Dunn, Lauri, Lavine, 2018 top 3, 2019 top 5! Thatís more then enough to start the rebuild! Ideally we get say Bagley this year and a PH or 3 next year. Move Dunn to the bench as a defensive specialist 6th man who could give 2nd units fits. In 2020 look to bring in a FA at the biggest weakness in our starting lineup. We will have all the money in the world, a super young and athletic core, and a direction.

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