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View Poll Results: PSD NBA All-Time Player Power Rankings: #12

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  • Julius Erving

    1 8.33%
  • Oscar Robertson

    0 0%
  • Jerry West

    1 8.33%
  • Elgin Baylor

    0 0%
  • Moses Malone

    5 41.67%
  • Karl Malone

    0 0%
  • Dirk Nowitzki

    0 0%
  • Charles Barkley

    2 16.67%
  • John Stockton

    0 0%
  • David Robinson

    2 16.67%
  • Kevin Garnett

    1 8.33%
  • Kevin Durant

    0 0%
  • Stephen Curry

    0 0%
  • Elgin Baylor

    0 0%
  • Scottie Pippen

    0 0%
  • Isiah Thomas

    0 0%
  • Dwyane Wade

    0 0%
  • John Havlicek

    0 0%
  • Chris Paul

    0 0%
  • Steve Nash

    0 0%
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  1. #1
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    PSD NBA All-Time Player Power Rankings: #12

    Kobe Bryant took the 11th spot last round. This round, I expanded the voting options to 20 to appease people who thought the right options weren't available for voting. They're still based on ESPN's #NBArank. Voting lasts two days.

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    3. Lebron James
    4. Wilt Chamberlain
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Shaquille O'Neal
    7. Magic Johnson
    8. Larry Bird
    9. Hakeem Olajuwon
    10. Bill Russell
    11. Kobe Bryant

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    It was neck-and-neck for me between Julius and Moses. Oscar was great, but he was another victim of the inflated stats and lesser competition in the 1960s.

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    Moses here.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    I like David Robinson here. as much as I dislike KD, it might be time to put him top 15. I'm not sure how Julius was better than KD at all and if winning was the criteria, then there isn't really an advantage for Julius. I guess legacy and longevity for now? But I'll take KD over him any day.

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    Moses

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    Man y'all hate Kobe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Man y'all hate Kobe
    This forum has always been more stats based and his peak stats can't hold a candle to 1-9 and if we start to include career and accomplishments, he can't hold a candle to Russell. I could easily see an argument for him over Hakeem to be Top 10, Hakeem (despite being one of my favorite players ever) should probably be 11th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    This forum has always been more stats based and his peak stats can't hold a candle to 1-9 and if we start to include career and accomplishments, he can't hold a candle to Russell. I could easily see an argument for him over Hakeem to be Top 10, Hakeem (despite being one of my favorite players ever) should probably be 11th.
    I find that the hardcore BBall fans generally frown upon high USG% scorers and ball-hog type guys whereas casual fans love them. There's a huge disconnect in rankings if you asked people from both sides,

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    I think the "hardcore" guys often forget how the stats translate to the game. Unless you simply have overwhelming talent like GS you can't afford for your team to have everyone pass up contested shots and only take wide open looks that they can knock down at super high rates. Few teams are talented enough to actually find that type of shot eventually. They need guys who can make contested and difficult shots. And those may not be at an "efficient" clip but they'll be at a better rate than if others on the team took them and that's what counts.


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    espn had Kobe 12th so liked him more then they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I think the "hardcore" guys often forget how the stats translate to the game. Unless you simply have overwhelming talent like GS you can't afford for your team to have everyone pass up contested shots and only take wide open looks that they can knock down at super high rates. Few teams are talented enough to actually find that type of shot eventually. They need guys who can make contested and difficult shots. And those may not be at an "efficient" clip but they'll be at a better rate than if others on the team took them and that's what counts.
    I am very sympathetic to the nuance of high usage scorers based on my own experience. While on a rec team someone kept track of our stats and I always shot a ridiculous amount of shots per game and I joked I was a ball-hog but the actual problem was, everyone else was so afraid of taking a shot of concerned with whether they were getting a good look they never wanted to shoot. And it always fell upon me to shoot.

    In my defense I did shoot 35% from 3 (while taking 11 a game lol), so I wasn't super inefficient. But I completely understand why players have to shoot a lot depending on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    This forum has always been more stats based and his peak stats can't hold a candle to 1-9 and if we start to include career and accomplishments, he can't hold a candle to Russell. I could easily see an argument for him over Hakeem to be Top 10, Hakeem (despite being one of my favorite players ever) should probably be 11th.
    Lol

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    https://youtu.be/NLOMEmRQ40U

    This is why Vlade hates Kobe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Man y'all hate Kobe
    You ain't lying

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I am very sympathetic to the nuance of high usage scorers based on my own experience. While on a rec team someone kept track of our stats and I always shot a ridiculous amount of shots per game and I joked I was a ball-hog but the actual problem was, everyone else was so afraid of taking a shot of concerned with whether they were getting a good look they never wanted to shoot. And it always fell upon me to shoot.

    In my defense I did shoot 35% from 3 (while taking 11 a game lol), so I wasn't super inefficient. But I completely understand why players have to shoot a lot depending on the situation.
    Only Valade would know his TS% in a rec league.


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