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    North Korea, Kim Jong Un, President Trump

    North Korea is a big deal and deserves it's own thread.


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-partners.html

    Trump signs executive order targeting North Korea's trading partners
    President Trump signed an executive order Thursday targeting North Korea’s trading partners, calling it a “powerful” new tool aimed at isolating and de-nuclearizing the regime.

    The president announced the order as he met with South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly.

    He said the order would help target individuals and companies doing business with Pyongyang. Specifically, he said it enhances the Treasury Department’s authority to target those conducting significant trade with the regime, including by sanctioning foreign banks.

    “It is unacceptable that others financially support this criminal rogue regime,” Trump said.

    He added, “Foreign banks will face a clear choice. Do business with the United States, or facilitate trade with the lawless regime in North Korea.”

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin echoed the president as he issued a warning to foreign banks at a news conference Thursday.

    “Foreign financial institutions are now on notice that going forward they can choose to do business with the United States or with North Korea, but not both,” he said.

    Mnuchin said the executive order authorizes the Treasury Department to suspend U.S. account access to foreign banks that knowingly facilitate “significant transactions tied to trade with North Korea.”

    “For too long, North Korea has evaded sanctions and used the international financial system to facilitate funding for its weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs,” Mnuchin said. “No bank in any country should be used to facilitate Kim Jong Un’s destructive behavior.”

    According to a fact sheet provided by the White House, the executive order issues a 180-day ban on vessels and aircraft that have visited North Korea from visiting the United States.

    It also allows for sanctions of those involved in the construction, energy, financial services, fishing, information technology, manufacturing, medical, mining, textiles, or transportation industries in North Korea.

    On the heels of giving a blistering speech before the U.N. General Assembly where the president blasted “rocket man” Kim Jong Un, Trump said Thursday that he seeks a “complete de-nuclearization” of North Korea.

    “We cannot have this as a world body any longer,” he said.

    Trump also praised China following reports that its banks are halting business with North Korea.

    Chinese banks received a document Monday stating they should halt financial services and loans to new and existing North Korean customers as a result of strict U.N. sanctions passed earlier this month, a source told Reuters on Thursday.

    “Our bank is fulfilling our international obligations and implementing United Nations sanctions against North Korea. As such, we refuse to handle any individual loans connected to North Korea,” the document reportedly said.

    The move comes after repeated calls from the Trump administration for China to help isolate Kim Jong Un's dictatorship.

    “We appreciate it,” Trump said Thursday.

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    Kim Jong Un Calls President Trump ‘Dotard’ and ‘Frightened Dog’
    North Korea's leader called President Donald Trump "a frightened dog" and a "gangster fond of playing with fire" in an official statement released Thursday.

    Kim Jong Un responded to Trump's United Nations speech in a dispatch written in the first person. South Korea's government said it was the first such direct address to the world by any North Korean leader.

    "Far from making remarks of any persuasive power that can be viewed to be helpful to defusing tension, he made unprecedented rude nonsense one has never heard from any of his predecessors," Kim said. "A frightened dog barks louder."

    Hours later, North Korea's foreign minister reportedly said his country may test a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean to fulfill Kim's vow to take the "highest-level" action against the United States.

    Trump hit back Friday morning on Twitter.

    "Kim Jong Un of North Korea, who is obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people, will be tested like never before!" he wrote.

    Trump, during his speech on the U.N. floor on Tuesday, threatened to "totally destroy" North Korea if the United States were "forced to defend itself."

    Kim, whom Trump has recently started deriding as "Rocket Man," said the threat had not fallen on deaf ears.

    "I will make the man holding the prerogative of the supreme command in the U.S. pay dearly for his speech calling for totally destroying [North Korea]," he added.

    In his bellicose statement Thursday, Kim also repeatedly referred to Trump as a "dotard" — an arcane term for a senile or weak-minded elderly person.

    "I will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged U.S. dotard with fire," Kim said.

    Trump announced on Thursday that he planned to sign an executive order that would slap sanctions on individuals, companies and financial institutions that do business with what Trump characterized as "this criminal rogue regime."

    He said his mission was North Korea's "complete denuclearization."

    According to South Korea's Yonhap News, Pyongyang may conduct a hydrogen bomb test in the Pacific as a warning to the United States after Trump's latest speech.

    "It could be the most powerful detonation of an H-bomb in the Pacific," North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told reporters. "We have no idea about what actions could be taken as it will be ordered by leader Kim Jong Un."

    Japan, the only country ever to suffer an atomic attack, described that threat as "totally unacceptable."

    Earlier this month, the U.N. Security Council passed harsh sanctions targeting Kim's nation, which has continued missile tests and aims to expand its nuclear arsenal.

    The sanctions ban 90 percent of North Korean exports and were approved by Russia and China, who had previously maintained closer ties to North Korea.

    In his statement, Kim did not mention the sanctions.

    The statement will further escalate the war of words between Kim and Trump as the North moves closer to perfecting a nuclear-tipped missile that could strike America.

    In recent months, the North has launched a pair of still-developmental ICBMs it said were capable of striking the continental United States and a pair of intermediate-range missiles that soared over Japanese territory.

    North Korea has previously embraced racist, sexist and just plain rude statements about its enemies.

    It repeatedly called one past South Korean leader "rat faced." It has said that the South's first female president, Park Geun-hye, was a "crafty prostitute" and suggested ex-President Barack Obama was her pimp. It also called Obama a "monkey."

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    I feel like after each verbal back and forth teeters us closer and closer to the brink. I'm not sure what's being improved by the more aggressive rhetoric, but who knows? The consequences are huge so you can't really afford to be wrong, but as I said in the Trump thread I doubt they attack preemptively unless they feel forced into it. Self-preservation is all they care about and that ends with full blown war. Their provocations are stressful and deserve criticism, but I also think it's something that signifies a more defensive tone than anything else.

    I don't envy the people who have to handle this diplomacy and am hesitant to lob criticism really at anyone because of how unique and complicated the situation is. Except, I just really don't see the benefits of the insults and 5th-grade level name calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    You do realize that North Korea's singular desire in attaining nuclear weapons is defense and a feeling that they are not safe, right?

    There are also huge differences between WWII and this current conflict. Like, mainly, North Korea hasn't attacked anyone.

    Intimidating them isn't gonna do ****. Every time Trump throws his schoolyard insults at them, they try to flex even more.
    no they're just threatening to attack America. I guess America is supposed to wait for an attack (killing many/millions?) before then taking action.






    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.512ec29d0e6b

    Yes, dotard is a real word.

    Thanks to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, who used the word to describe President Trump as “a mentally deranged U.S. dotard” this week, Americans rediscovered an arcane English insult long forgotten.

    This was a comeback after Trump called the North Korean leader “Rocket Man.”

    Sorry, Trump, you were trumped.

    Kim Jong Un insult level: Expert.

    I can't believe there are so many fools in America that are actually defending Kim Jong Un. so much hatred for President Trump I have seen people who have actually said they support losing a war with North Korea/Kim Jong Un if it hurts Donald Trump.
    Kim Jong Un would destroy all of America if he could, and idiots on the left actually support this guy.






    http://thehill.com/policy/defense/po...ke-north-korea

    GOP lawmaker calls for preemptive strike on North Korea
    Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) is calling for President Trump to preemptively strike North Korea.

    Hunter on Thursday warned that North Korea could have a nuclear missile aimed at naval bases in the U.S., including San Diego.

    “Why would they not aim here, at Hawaii, Guam, our major naval bases?” Hunter said, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune. “The question is, do you wait for one of those? Or two? Do you preemptively strike them? And that’s what the president has to wrestle with. I would preemptively strike them. You could call it declaring war, call it whatever you want.”

    Hunter is a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

    Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have seen an escalation of tensions in the wake of a series of missile and nuclear tests by the North since Trump took office this year.

    In a speech to the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday, Trump said that if the U.S. is forced to defend itself or its allies against North Korean nuclear action, he will “totally destroy” North Korea.

    Kim responded to these threats by calling Trump “mentally deranged." Trump retorted on Twitter on Friday morning, calling Kim a "madman."

    Trump on Thursday signed an executive order to introduce a new set of travel and economic sanctions on North Korea.

    North Korea has been touting its nuclear capabilities in recent weeks and claims to have successfully tested several missiles that can reach the continental U.S.






    this about North Korea.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...sted-by-trump/

    When North Korea crosses the line

    Trump must resist both Kim and the appeasers
    North Korea is too close to crossing the red line — deploying nuclear missiles that can destroy a U.S. city — and President Trump must take military action.

    Even if Pyongyang froze its nuclear program in place, it now has the technology and resources to advance to that lethal capacity on short notice — and it’s not going to give that up.

    The regime believes that such a capability is essential for ensuring its territorial integrity — that’s absurd.

    The United States and South Korea have little to gain from reunification of the peninsula. Moving the Demilitarized Zone to a land border with China puts the latter’s troops within eyeball range of American GIs — hardly a recipe for stability.

    Seoul doesn’t need the cost of feeding 25 million North Koreans and re-educating them to live as civilized participants in the global economy. China enabled and guaranteed the security of the menacing regime that has emerged in the North and wants a buffer state — fine, then those should be Beijing’s burdens.

    China has repeatedly suggested “freeze for freeze” — a U.S. offer to suspend joint military exercises with South Korea in exchange for a suspension of North Korea’s nuclear development — but things have gone too far for the United States to accept the status quo.

    It would leave Pyongyang with the option of invading the South and quickly deploying the capacity to nuke Seattle if America comes to South Korea’s aid. The United States could have used its naval power to impose heavy penalties on Russia when it seized the Crimea, but that would have risked nuclear war.

    The mere fact that Washington would let matters get to the point that North Korea can strike Japan or the South Korea, when National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster has uncategorically stated the United States has military options but has not acted, will eventually cause both allies to conclude they need independent nuclear deterrents.

    Already, South Korea has asked Washington to reintroduce tactical nuclear warheads that could be used alongside conventional weapons, reversing Seoul’s policy of seeking a non-nuclear peninsula.

    Japan and South Korea obtaining independent nuclear weapons would encourage other Asian nations to do the same and effectively end the U.N. nuclear nonproliferation regime.

    U.N. sanctions won’t work. Most of North Korea’s export revenues and oil come from China, and Beijing has repeatedly demonstrated duplicity regarding full enforcement of sanctions and has much to gain from pinning down U.S. attention with a continuing crisis in North Korea.

    Along with President George W. Bush’s and President Barack Obama’s appeasement of Beijing’s trade policies and aggressive actions in the South China Sea, America’s continuing petitions to the U.N. when the institution cannot offer a solution makes America look weak to nations of Asia and the Pacific. China is trying to pry those loose from commercial and security alignment with America and present its authoritarian models for governance and economics as better than Western prescriptions for stability and prosperity.

    Moreover, North Korea has endured long periods of isolation-inflicted famine and economic deprivation. Only sanctions that wholly cut off its sources of petroleum and cash to power and pay its military could be expected to move the situation — China and Russia simply won’t back or enforce such measures.

    Their refusal to approve sanctions at that level in the Security Council as well as their welcome mat for North Korean slave labor — Pyongyang rents it citizens for projects and receives their wages directly to help finance its nuclear program — lay bare the base motivations and moral depravity of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin.

    Instead of fully enforcing sanctions against the North, Beijing has turned the screws on South Korea — orchestrating an embargo on its goods in China, severely curtailing Chinese tourism in South Korea, and harassing car manufacturer Kia and other South Korean businesses that invested in good faith in the Middle Kingdom.

    At this point, China’s suggestions must be taken as self-serving and only worth the mere courtesy international diplomacy requires — a polite listen and reiteration that without North Korea dismantling in whole its nuclear program, the Yanks are coming.

    Years of appeasement by Presidents Bush and Obama leave Mr. Trump in much the same position Winston Churchill inherited from Neville Chamberlain.

    Churchill refused to bargain with Hitler, and Mr. Trump should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    no they're just threatening to attack America. I guess America is supposed to wait for an attack (killing many/millions?) before then taking action.

    I can't believe there are so many fools in America that are actually defending Kim Jong Un. so much hatred for President Trump I have seen people who have actually said they support losing a war with North Korea/Kim Jong Un if it hurts Donald Trump.
    Kim Jong Un would destroy all of America if he could, and idiots on the left actually support this guy.
    First Bolded: how certain are you North Korea is going to attack us?

    Second Bolded: Who? Let me guess, some random idiot on twitter?

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    We all know that no one here sides with Kim Jong Un. Don't respond to anyone who wastes your time saying that. Anyone who says that wants to create a false flag that if you don't support attacking North Korea that you don't support our country.

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    KJU is a dangerous child, so is Trump. Why make it personal? We certainly don't need athmospheric nuclear tests wafting towards the US.

    China is the key, 90% of the $, and goods go thru China. Russia and a few others are small players. If N Korea is attacked by us (subs, missle launch sites, factories and research facilities, and KJU falls, there will be a famine and millions of hungry NK's at China's doorstep. They don't need that or want that.

    Stop posing Trump and let statesmen (people) do their job (if Trump's idiot policies cutting the budget of the State Dept left us with political appointees - as Trump has recently filled other jobs with political rubes with big wallets.

    BTW notice how fake news Fox didn't report Maniforts home was entered with a no knock warrant in July. If Hillar won and her x campaign manager had that happen it would have been front page news along with the human interest stories featuring brainless blondes with Hooters worthy endowments. What is wrong with those idiots?

    Speaking of Manifort looks like he's taking a trip abroad to watch his work with the Kurds. How is it his passport isn't seized? How much he goes right to Russia and gets asylum.
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    Back to the thread. NK cannot destroy the US. We could destroy them. They are trying to join the first rank nations that have nukes for security. Goodness knows they have nothing else to distinguish them.

    If KJU just did his testing more quietly and in a way that showed less ability than they have they wouldn't have had this much attention.

    This smacks in some ways of Israel bombing osirik, and that "line of death" (Sidra) with the crazy colonel.

    For us to attack NK with the intent of destroying it would make us a pariah - of course Trumpies think the US can take care of itself in every way w/o trade, etc, Trumpies fail to acknowledge that the US is 3% of the worlds' population and that the post WWII world which we have largely defined has made the industrialized world wealthy as never before. Funny a US President would toss all that away over an argument in a sandbox with two 5 year olds. Yet another move by Trump that helps Russia far more than us.

    Now, if they get a MIRV'd nukes to go off 3k miles NNW of Hawaii - that would an act of war IMO. Still for Seoul and SK I'd rather do an initial limited attack, and make it clear no shells hitting Seoul, or it becomes a general attack. Still a humanitarian disaster killing up to 3 million within 3 years, and bringing chaos to a region that has been fairly peaceful since we stopped our idiotic war in Vietnam.

    On balance not worth it. China is a serious economic competitor, Russia is a kleptocracy run by the #1 Don in the world. A war with NK does not strengthen us with those more serious players, so it must be a sideshow to blow our time and wealth on. Resist stupidity Trump - I know its hard since you are so deeply ignorant on so many topics.
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    Japan and SK exist. We know you don’t care about non-American lives but Americans live their too.

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    China is starting to put some pressure on NK and imposing limits on oil supply

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    Kim Jong and trump are probably the two last idiots on earth you want dealing with a situation like this..

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    North Korea should not have nukes. It's that simple.
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    No country should have nukes because they are all susceptible to a mad man taking over who could use them without regards for human life.


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    1. North Korea won't actually attack anyone. They would have literally no allies and would have the entire world set to destroy them. If they even attempted it. And if they did, they would be bulldozed by anyone they came after (notably the U.S.) very quickly.

    2. They need China, and attacking the U.S. would put them on bad sides of China.

    3. Un and Trump saying stupid **** amounts to two 5th graders on a playground saying my dad can beat up your dad. Both are intellectually inept.

    Though, I appreciate that Trump won't let Un just say whatever he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbang View Post
    North Korea should not have nukes. It's that simple.
    Pakistan, India, Israel, France, UK, US, Russia, China....

    Al have them. Next time India and Pakistan mix it up, should be take them?

    NK is a nation with borders, currency, people, economy, etc. - it's a place, not some green tinted country on a 2D map.

    So the big paternalistic US should take action? What if 1.7M innocents are killed (many in SK). Acceptable?

    Not saying no, I want more justification then Trump has been insulted.
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    North Korea's nukes were a result of Bush Jr. trying to appease the hard line Republicans.

    Bush 2002, State of the Union address, made famous remark regarding North Korea as "axis of evil" & “arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.” Two days later, the North Koreans declared Bush's speech was "little short of a declaration of war."

    Just a week later, Colin Powell restated the Bush Administration's willingness to engage in bilateral talks with North Korea at "any time, any place, or anywhere without any preconditions."

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