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  1. #2281
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Brown's role is different to Middleton's, he is a super athletic defense "mad dog" who can also score in the offense... He is called from bench as to "kill" defensively the guard of the opponent that is "hot"... Same with D.J. Wilson who is called from the bench to do the same on the opponent's forwards that are "hot" and can also shoot when in the offense...

    It's Snell that can take Middleton's role and even improve on Middleton in defense... and therefore I do agree with you that we better trade Middleton and invest the money required as to keep him so that we can advance the team's current and long term performance...



    Because of the "Hill trade" that provides us with a solid PG/SG combo, we should trade both Middleton and Bledsoe now... Here is why:

    There would be 67M available as to resign all our expiring contracts if we let Hill go after the season ends right?

    With that money, we can spend 20M annually as to resign Hill and Brogdon for the next three seasons (then have 47M left to invest), trade all Bledsoe, Middleton, Illyasova & Connaughton (available capital raised to 56M) for a solid young & talented PG (Dinwiddie, or D.Smith, or D.Mitchell - all of who would make up for Bledsoe's loss) in his rookie contract and B. Beal (25M) + Vucevic (18M for next season on a 3/60M contract extension), get Markieff Morris as to back up Snell (5M next season on a 3/18M contract extension), let Brolo go and end up with a much more efficient roster both defensively and offensively as well as with some 10M of capital left in our cashier before the luxury tax!

    EDIT: All that said, if one looks carefully on coach Bud's later rotations, he does continuously monitoring the possibility of using Snell instead of Middleton all this past month...
    On what planet can Tony Snell replace what Middleton does to crewfan's point on the ball? He is nowhere near the scorer or creator that Middleton is. He is a better defender but not close to making up for every other aspect that is going toward Middleton. Snell has improved but is same age as Middleton and hasn't improved at near a rate that would suggest he could come close to replacing Middleton.

    I am not comfortable paying Middleton the kind of money he likely commands either. I would love a trade but doubt FO makes a deal at the deadline as good as this team is playing with Middleton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopackgo87 View Post
    On what planet can Tony Snell replace what Middleton does to crewfan's point on the ball? He is nowhere near the scorer or creator that Middleton is. He is a better defender but not close to making up for every other aspect that is going toward Middleton. Snell has improved but is same age as Middleton and hasn't improved at near a rate that would suggest he could come close to replacing Middleton.

    I am not comfortable paying Middleton the kind of money he likely commands either. I would love a trade but doubt FO makes a deal at the deadline as good as this team is playing with Middleton.
    You are in my ignore, you are absolutely clueless about anything that concerns basketball and you are kindly requested not to quote me directly or indirectly... Thank you.

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    Plan A: Bradley Beal

    While Giannis Antetokounmpo is blossoming into an MVP candidate, the Bucks are struggling to put a second star alongside him. They may have hoped Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe or even Malcolm Brogdon would take that leap, but so far it seems possible Milwaukee might only send one All-Star to Charlotte.

    If there's any way the Bucks can meet the Wizards' price, Beal would be tremendous.

    He can score like a No. 1 option, lead an attack as the primary playmaker or demand the attention of multiple defenders as a spot-up sniper. As much as Milwaukee utilizes the long ball under Mike Budenholzer, the roster could still use a high-volume, high-efficiency marksman. Beal splashed the ninth-most triples with a 39.0 percent conversion rate over the past two seasons.



    Plan B: Nikola Vucevic

    Both Brook Lopez and Ersan Ilyasova have done their parts as frontcourt floor-spacers, but they essentially function as specialists. Vucevic, on the other hand, would supply a similar outside stroke with superior inside-the-arc scoring, rebounding and passing.

    Vucevic could become Antetokounmpo's best-scoring sidekick. Staggering their minutes a bit would also ensure the Bucks always have a dependable offensive fulcrum on the floor.

    Milwaukee probably loses some draft considerations in this swap, but that's a reasonable cost if the Bucks feel Vooch gets them closer to a Finals run.



    Plan C: Wayne Ellington

    There's no such thing as too much shooting in a Budenholzer offense, making Ellington a plug-and-play option for 20-plus minutes per night.
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...g-list#slide17

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    We been discussing two out of the three for that article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Exactly my thoughts... right?

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    What's your guys offer for Beal now? Since Wall is done for the season. You would think Wizards try full tank and deal Beal,Porter,Morris,Ariza. Would be nice to get Beal without giving up either Middleton or Bledsoe. Be hard to pull it off though. I'm sure they'd love $1M guaranteed of Hill as the main salary filler. Brogdon wouldn't be enough. Not sure we can get away without parting with Brogdon. Unless they are fond of Brown,DDV,Wood,Maker and Wilson as the fillers. Also our first round picks are tied up so hard to include any more other then way far out.

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    I was working on how we land both Beal and Vucevic and have posted various different proposals... all feasible.

    However, in the proposals I've made so far, I perhaps pay too much and unnecessary respect to next season's cap space situation by moving both Bledsoe and Middleton, while this may be harming for this season's success...

    I therefore came up with a better proposal, which involves only moving Bledsoe's contract and additionally the replacements improve on the roster for this and many season's to come...

    I thought that this would give us a chance to go all the way to the finals and have the best chance against GSW this season and then we can decide on what to with Middleton this offseason, depending on his requirements and the availability there will be out of free agency...

    I'll post the proposal here shortly as it is a consequence of the "Hill trade": https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...-than-it-looks

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    Bledsoe for Beal were short on sending out $10M. Bledsoe is like $15M or so and Beal is like $25M or so. I'm unsure what to give up for Vucevic. Hard to say what Hammond would want in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Bledsoe for Beal were short on sending out $10M. Bledsoe is like $15M or so and Beal is like $25M or so. I'm unsure what to give up for Vucevic. Hard to say what Hammond would want in return.
    Look at the other thread... the proposal is there...

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    Trading for Vucevic could be difficult if Hammond says flat "no" to either Snell or Ersan as the main fillers. Then its down to Smith and Maker and/or another rookie contract in February. Or Hill in February in a bigger trade. Vucevic is $12.75M expiring. Smith is expiring $5.45M. Hill is $19M.

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    Forget about moving Hill... this will never happen... NO WAY! We will resign Hill for another 2 or 3 seasons...

    DDV + Maker + Smith + Duval and there is no way Hammond will refuse to give us Vucevic... He gets DDV on his rookie contract in a position that he badly needs and also Maker (again on his rookie contract) as to back up Bamba and Isaac for next season... He also gets Duval to add in his PG depth and only looks to draft a starting PG...

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    I realise that the topic of this thread is free agency / trade ideas, but you guys are on crack thinking we are making multiple major trades at the trade deadline. Middleton is not going anywhere. The bucks have the best record in the NBA at the end of 2018 for the 1st time in 48 years and they haven't come close to playing their best ball. The Bucks have a legitimate shot to win the title this year with this team, so trading half the team for Beal and Vucevic is not happening. It is possible that they trade for 1 of the 2, if the asking price were right and we don't have to give up many of our current starters.

    Most likely we do nothing before the deadline. If we do make a trade it would likely be sending a package for an upgrade at wing, like an Ellington. The Bucks can afford to trade 2 or 3 decent role players for 1 better shooter. Because we have Brogdon, Middleton, Snell, Connaughton, DD and Sterling. We could package 2 of those players and even a DJ Wilson if needed if the right player were available. It likely won't include Brogdon and surely not Middleton, but if we traded Snell and DD or DD and Brown, we'd still have 4 capable wings, plus the player we acquire in the trade.

    Personnally I like our team as is and would like to stand pat, unless it's a small trade, like a DD and Brown for a better wing. I'd prefer to keep Wilson now and I want to still have Ersan at playoff time. I'm not trading Middleton unless we're getting an allstar back and even then, I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Forget about moving Hill... this will never happen... NO WAY! We will resign Hill for another 2 or 3 seasons...

    DDV + Maker + Smith + Duval and there is no way Hammond will refuse to give us Vucevic... He gets DDV on his rookie contract in a position that he badly needs and also Maker (again on his rookie contract) as to back up Bamba and Isaac for next season... He also gets Duval to add in his PG depth and only looks to draft a starting PG...
    The only way we resign Hill is if he's taking a $15 Mil per year pay cut. I doubt that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawButch View Post
    The only way we resign Hill is if he's taking a $15 Mil per year pay cut. I doubt that happens.
    We will resign Hill for 3/27M or near that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawButch View Post
    I realise that the topic of this thread is free agency / trade ideas, but you guys are on crack thinking we are making multiple major trades at the trade deadline. Middleton is not going anywhere. The bucks have the best record in the NBA at the end of 2018 for the 1st time in 48 years and they haven't come close to playing their best ball. The Bucks have a legitimate shot to win the title this year with this team, so trading half the team for Beal and Vucevic is not happening. It is possible that they trade for 1 of the 2, if the asking price were right and we don't have to give up many of our current starters.
    We are not winning any title unless we improve further... We still have many back court guys that are useless and need to be upgraded...

    1. J. Smith we signed as to only have a salary filler for the next trade coming.
    2. Ilyasova is absolutely expendable after Wilson (who plays "mad dog" defense) merged.
    3. Connaughton is expendable after S. Brown merged.
    4. We don't have the time to wait for DDV as to be "NBA ready" and contribute...
    5. Bledsoe still plays with a "separate (to the rest of the team) ball" whenever (often) has a mind blockage...

    We have paid too much to Washington to let Beal go elsewhere... it was 16M in cash and Dekker up to now, all for getting nothing back... Beal will make Bledsoe expendable... Vooch will make Thon expendable... J.Smith can't be traded back to Washington... Horst got him as to use for money filler elsewhere... Bledsoe goes to Lakers after this season...

    All that.

    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawButch View Post
    Most likely we do nothing before the deadline. If we do make a trade it would likely be sending a package for an upgrade at wing, like an Ellington. The Bucks can afford to trade 2 or 3 decent role players for 1 better shooter. Because we have Brogdon, Middleton, Snell, Connaughton, DD and Sterling. We could package 2 of those players and even a DJ Wilson if needed if the right player were available. It likely won't include Brogdon and surely not Middleton, but if we traded Snell and DD or DD and Brown, we'd still have 4 capable wings, plus the player we acquire in the trade.
    It's not gonna happen before the deadline... J.Smith can't be traded grouped with other players before then... Magic won't trade Vooch unless they loose hope as to make the playoffs...

    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawButch View Post
    Personnally I like our team as is and would like to stand pat, unless it's a small trade, like a DD and Brown for a better wing. I'd prefer to keep Wilson now and I want to still have Ersan at playoff time. I'm not trading Middleton unless we're getting an allstar back and even then, I'm not sure.
    No way we trade Brown... Ilyasova we don't have a useful minute to spare for... he is totally useless after Wilson merged... a wasted roster spot.

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